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Race is biologically determined, sex is biologically determined, gender is not.
Why does that matter? Aren't race and gender biologically determined as well?
Race is biologically determined, sex is biologically determined, gender is not.
So in the case of this woman...since she was not biologically predisposed to think she was a man...what happened that made her decide that she was one? Was there an external force that influenced her frame of mind?
Honestly, I don't know. Biology may play a part in gender iden y (and sexual orientation), but I don't know how or how much. It's not as simple as penis = male identified and vagina = female identified, though, which seems to be the argument in this thread.
Well...this woman's psychology had nothing to do with the biological reproduction of a child. Her female anatomy is responsible for that. Therefore, SHE is pregnant, HE cannot be.
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No, but when I first saw an article about a "pregnant man", I clicked on it because, silly me, I thought it was a real man that was being reported on.
I got about halfway down the original article the first time this chick got pregnant before I read the fine print that said "transexual".
This whole media blitz has been purposely misleading to sell papers.
I actually had to argue with my wife that it wasn't really a dude that was coming on Oprah. She said "well why would Oprah say it's a pregnant man then?"
ugh.
Who cares what this flaming got has to say or wants to do? Leave the guy/girl/it alone and ignore the attention .
So my assertion about the nature of what we classify as "gendered" in terms of behavior and performance is not even worthy of discussion?
Last time I checked, our daily lives do not revolve around the presence of a vagina or penis. Do you people walk around staring for any sign of bulges or lack of bulge in people's pants or do you base your interactions on, say, actions, voice, mannerisms, interests, etc...
The only time SEX matters is in the actual act of intercourse, reproduction, or analyzing one's capability to pee standing up.
Gender is much broader, much more variable, and much more pertinent to everyday life!
It's absolutely worthy of discussion, but all I'd be able to add is a rather uninteresting "I agree."
Ok...so then how is GENDER defined in everyday life?
Here is the thing. If she really wants to be taken seriously as a man then what's with the whole pregnancy. There is still some part of her that is holding on to her femininity because throughout everything she knows what she really is and that is a woman.
I understand that the partner can't have kids but oh well, that's the price you pay for being a "man".
Have to laugh at that. Last time I checked, men's daily lives did indeed revolve around vagina.
Where's the law that says s/he has to be all the way one thing in order to be taken seriously? The fact that s/he hasn't had the full sex change operation would be a pretty clear indication that she wants to hold on to her female biology, and if that's her choice she's en led to it.
Cool then don't go around saying you are a man.
It's stupid to say yes I am definately a man. I know I was born with a vagina but in my heart I am a man. Oh wait. What? My SO can't have kids? I'M A WOMAN AGAIN! I'M A WOMAN! When I am done having babies then I will go back to being a man. Unless of course I see a shoe sale!
gimme a break. Now you're just getting bogged down in semantics. Gender and sex mean the same thing in most of the modernized countries of the world.
what if I were to darken my skin and curl my hair because while growing up even though the other white kids like to play the piano, I liked to play basketball which just proved what I had always known: I was a Black man on the inside.
Does that mean I now can apply to the United Negro College Fund?
Of course not. It's the same reason (most) sport organizations do not recognize a transgendered athlete. They don't want guys going around cutting off their manhoods just so they can go out and dominate the women's sports circuits.
If Yao had a sex change, even if underwent the hormone therapy, he would still average about 85 points a game because of his sheer size alone.
If you're a chick that uses hormone therapy to grow a beard and wants to look like a man, fine, just don't try to tell me you are a man if you get pregnant. It doesn't work and it confuses the out of my wife and kids that think you have a natural born peenus.
These media outlets aren't calling her a man because they are respecting her iden y. They are calling her a man because they make more money by saying "look, we have a pregnant man on our show"
fine, but that does not make her a man.
The best I can label her as is a 'tweener. I guess she can play at either the two spot or the three spot.
First time I saw this chick, I could only think about one thing...
Ahhhh, the magic between Devito and Arnold was sooooo god in Twins, they just had to work together again.
I guess I just don't see how this person's iden y could possibly have an effect on your, or anyone else's, life. She identifies as a man in every other aspect of her life, but does that mean she's supposed to completely ignore the working, in tact plumbing when she and her partner want to have their own children? That's not my call to make.
As a -identified bisexual, I'm a member of the GLBT community. But this isn't my lifestyle. In fact, despite knowing several people who identify as transsexual (in all the ways one possibly can), it's not even a lifestyle that I particularly understand. Ultimately, however, it's a personal choice that doesn't require my approval, or anyone else's.
That is fine and I can see your viewpoint. Mine is though if she is not looking for approval then why go on a million talk shows? Yes I know people will see her and ask questions but that is something she brought on herself. Putting it out there in the media the way she is is just begging for attention.
I have a friend that is lesbonic. Her partner looks like the dude of the two and dresses and acts like a guy for the most part. Upon looking at them you would think that she was the dominant "male" of the relationship. If you get to know them though you would see that the dainty one is the more like a male. The one that looks like a dude is the one trying to get pregnant. In fact she was pissed because they were trying before my wife and I were and our kid is already born. Why the should I feel bad for having the right equipment? They both know I don't agree with that stuff but when we go out for drinks or whatever they know that are always invited. They even show up.
this doesn't affect any of our lives on a personal level.
The question at the root of this is, "why the is this a story?"
It's a story because it says "pregnant man".
....even though it's not a real "man".
If the story told the truth, it wouldn't even be on the back page of her home town paper.
"Woman that looks like man is pregnant" = boring
Oh, I've got huge problems with the attention element of this story. I don't know that it necessarily translates to seeking approval, though, which I would equate to asking permission.
I'm okay with the idea of presenting an alternative lifestyle choice in a manner that emphasizes the commonalities they have with straight couples -- wanting to raise a happy, healthy, well-adjusted family, etc. -- as I think that recognizing how much we all have in common is an important way of building tolerance and acceptance. But the fact that they appear to be specifically looking for fame really rubs me the wrong way.
Crazy theory, I know, but I'm guessing that if they're a lesbian couple, perhaps neither of them is the "male" in the relationship.
I just meant the at ude. The dressing and trying to act like a guy.
Hey so we at least agree on the attention crap and how it is freakin annoying can we just agree to disagree on everything else?
That's been my suggestion since my third post in this thread.
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