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    I guess theoretically if Mason can become that sixth man spark plug, it'd make the team even deeper. But we'll see how it works out. Keeping Mason in the starting lineup made a lot of sense to me because he plays well off of TP and Duncan ... while Manu doesn't usually need help to be successful.
    Also agree. I've said it from the jump that Pop is making a mistake inserting Manu back into the starting lineup. I'd really like to know exactly what his rationale is. It's so obvious that Mason was very comfortable and far more effective as a starter than he's been coming off the bench. While Manu's impact is immediate whether he's a starter or 6th man.

    In the meantime, Pop's man-crush with Finley remains the unjustified mystery of Pop's coaching tactics. Finley's terrible passing and questionable decision-making are only exemplified the more minutes he plays. However, it doesn't appear that Pop sees this as diminishing returns.

    I was also a bit surprised that Pop didn't try to counter the Mavs 3-guard lineup with one that featured Hill, TP and Manu.

    Great review, Timvp.

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    Exactly. Tolliver is an interesting option. The Toros playing him out on the perimeter defensively could help down the line if they have to put him on players like Dirk, West and Odom.

    The good thing about Tolliver is that not only is he slightly quicker than Oberto and Bonner, he has longer arms and could actually contest a Dirk jumper. I don't think the Spurs have contested a Dirk jumper since they traded away Rose in 2005.

    But yeah, it's amazing that even after the Mavs loss in 2006 and Don Nelson teaching the world how to guard Dirk in 2007 that the Spurs have never made a move to fix that glaring weakness on their roster.

    Mind boggling.
    Personally I've longed for the Spurs to identify a long defender that could matchup with Dirk. I was hoping elson would've been the answer, but not to be. I'm hoping to see Tolliver or Ian on Dirk at some point this season.

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    Bruce needs more minutes. That is my only game thought.

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    We all know that we don't match up well with Dirk, unfortunately. But we also don't match up well with Terry - he has always torched us. And for that matter, we don't match up that well with Howard either. At least they traded away Harris so we don't have to wrry about that matchup headache.

    I'll never understand why the Mavs shoot lights out against us every single time we play. It's unreal.

    For example, has Jason Kidd ever shot 10-15 in his life? Even on a Nerf hoop at point blank range?

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    Pop will never put Tolliver on Dirk.

    Wayyy too outside the box thinking.

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    timvp, that is some excellent stat-work to augment your very fine game report. Top shelf, LJ.

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    But yeah, it's amazing that even after the Mavs loss in 2006 and Don Nelson teaching the world how to guard Dirk in 2007 that the Spurs have never made a move to fix that glaring weakness on their roster.

    Mind boggling.
    Maybe RC could call Presti for advice?

    WWPD?

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    Perhaps Tolliver or Mahinmi can become decent options on Dirk but I'm not holding my breath.

    Good lord, at this point if all Mahinmi does in his NBA career is do an above average job defending Dirk then he will be a sucessful 1st round draft pick in my book.

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    There are a lot of players that can make Duncan work for his points.

    But they can't stop him..period! And that's the big disadvantage the Mavs have against the Spurs.

    Plus Manu & Tony..as well!!
    exactly. the spurs r just better in my eyes

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    In 2006, do you think the Spurs lacked it?
    No.

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    Duncan may abuse Dampier and Diop but it's not like they are pushovers. They make him work and Duncan just scores anyway.

    All I know is that Finley on Dirk isn't an option but of course Pop would come to that conclusion after he decided Finley is a powerforward.
    Finley is a PF when he's got JJ Barea guarding him.

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    I think the Mavs make the playoffs. Too much talent not to.

    I'm just hoping it's not Spurs vs. Mavs in the first round.
    mavs vs lakers in 1st round

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    We all know that we don't match up well with Dirk, unfortunately. But we also don't match up well with Terry - he has always torched us. And for that matter, we don't match up that well with Howard either. At least they traded away Harris so we don't have to wrry about that matchup headache.

    I'll never understand why the Mavs shoot lights out against us every single time we play. It's unreal.

    For example, has Jason Kidd ever shot 10-15 in his life? Even on a Nerf hoop at point blank range?
    its because they play harder against us than they do against other teams. most teams do that against us because theyre jealous of the success and hate the spurs organization. just like texas tech played harder against the longhorns than they did anybody else. texas is better but lost. emotions play a big part

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    Dirk is a great player but he doesnt scare me. Why? Because he's a jump shooter. Avery had him being a real man, going to the bucket and getting to the line. Now he's reverted back to his ol' soft outside shooting self. I would rather face an opponent that shoots from the outside rather than one doing damage in the paint, anyday of the week

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    Manu's foul was stupid but no one seems to remember the Spurs going down 3-1 and having to fight back the entire series.
    And that Manu was the main reason the Spurs cut into the lead and tied the game after being down 20.

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    Maybe RC could call Presti for advice?

    WWPD?
    Seeing as Presti is proving himself to not be exactly a genius himself, then I doubt it.

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    You can say want you want but that game was absolutely awesome.

    Amazing how in December games could look like a playoffs games esp. in the intesity area.

    It was fantastic to watch that game even though I was looking it at work in the middle of the night (2:30 - 5:something am).
    Yet again I was not sleeping 25 hours before hitting the bed, more important was that I was happy to see spurs in action and them hit some great shots.

    You can talk about this game for hours, about the forncourt about the backcourt about starters, reserves and minutes played. That is meaningles as far as a fighting aspect comes.
    Spurs are looking realy motivated and hungry this season as a whole.
    And not to make season comments I just want to add that it's great to see them progress in a right direction.

    At the begining I was like damn Parker could not hit a jack Manu could not hit a jack and Timmay was off. more then that Terry and his company were shooting great and [now] I was like they gonna kick our butts !!!

    Fricking damn. They are too relaxed after that win against the Worriors and The Mavs are the real deal.

    More then that, we had only Tim on the froncourt. Bonner doing what he can but he is not a post guy [he is playing great recently hopefully he can stay that for 90 or so more games]. I said ti myslef once again - now carlisle will go big at us, and Pop have no choice but keep Tim on the floor.
    There were ups and downs.

    But what was impressive?
    Bowen's D was. He made a team defense way much better when being on the court. Sometimes I was WTF Pop bring Bowen in! Good to have him in spurs uniform.
    Tim - I was mad at him through moments when he was unable to hit open J's from the long mid-range. But his D and esp. his rebounding which was phenomenal, made his show.
    TP- guy played great and if he could hit that jumper and erase that 5 mnutes from players legs he would be a hero.


    Gino i lacking his explosiveness, but that is good. He still got way to go.
    I like him off the bench better as many in here. We will see if Pop will decide to move him back there. But I have not much prblem with that.

    Hill - the rookie was lost when he entered game for the first time, and Pop pointed to the bench, saying take a seat. Hill did just taht as he is well behaved young man.
    And I was hoping that pop will bring him in the 2nd half.
    He did. And George answered with agressiveness and helped Tony with catching hi breath.

    I like that old fashioned new element in spurs playbook - Mason and GHill looking for a clen spot on the floor creating some havoc.
    All spurs need is to catch a balance between playing inside and outside ball. They still do not have enough slashers, but you play with what you have, all in all spurs do not have a rebounding monster and a guy that can do some harm inside ofensivly and defensivly.

    Wow that was a show.
    Now if anyone ever tells me that '90 was more exciting I will show him this emote


    I may sound excited and stuff but I know spurs got a long way to go. Esp. Pop and him choosing the main rotation.


    btw. wtf Finley did not hit a 10footer jumper on a clean look?
    we had those Mavs and we let them catch us :


    I wanted to bring more basketball to my post but blahh I don't care. It's all for fun !

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    Hi guys, sorry for the offtopic, but i want to know if there's a chance of getting the yesterdays win vid, can someone help me? Thanks in advance

    PD: Great OT win though, go manu !

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    Even though the Spurs won, I wasn’t too thrilled with Pop’s coaching. Playing Finley 37 minutes is highly questionable, especially when he had Bonner and Mason available for more playing time. Putting Thomas on Nowitzki was just crazy. You could equip Thomas with a jet pack and he still wouldn’t be able to keep up. Playing Bowen just 27 minutes in a double overtime game with the way he was defending was also mysterious. I didn’t like the minutes the Big Three played but then again without those minutes the Spurs probably don’t win. Overall though, I thought that the players bailed Pop out after a number of iffy decisions.
    timvp, while I certainly agree that I'd like to see more playing time for Mason and Bonner in the long run (as well as fewer minutes for Finley), do you think perhaps Pop was just using this early season game to be in "mad scientist mode"? While giving other players minutes over Bowen or putting Thomas on Dirk may seem slightly insane on the surface, maybe he was just trying to throw 10 crazy things at the wall and seeing if just one of them sticks. For example, looking at the pure surface of the equation, who would have ever guessed that Malik Rose would have been one of our best defenders against Shaq around the turn of the century?

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    I find Manu's play worrisome. He seems to be trying to overcompensate for his injuries and attempting too many "home run" plays. Similar to last year's Laker series...

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    Seeing as Presti is proving himself to not be exactly a genius himself, then I doubt it.

    so because he had to fire a coach he never wanted in the first place he's lost the lustre he had in SA?

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    Ginobili will be horrible tonight you can almost gaurantee it. I think you'll see slot of bonner mason hill and oberto tonight. If mahinmi wasn't such a GD china doll he could help tonight.

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    Dirk is a great player but he doesnt scare me. Why? Because he's a jump shooter. Avery had him being a real man, going to the bucket and getting to the line. Now he's reverted back to his ol' soft outside shooting self. I would rather face an opponent that shoots from the outside rather than one doing damage in the paint, anyday of the week


    I agree with you wholeheartedly.

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    I guess the question then is what to do about the Dirks of the world. And the Odoms, Artests other mobile bigs that the Spurs will face. Tolliver and Mahinmi bring youth and athleticism and not much else. Should the FO make a serious effort to trade for a possible stopper or just accept the current situation and address it with team defense?

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    Ginobili will be horrible tonight you can almost gaurantee it.
    For future reference, Ginobili is money in back-to-back games. Over the last three years, he scores more points in back-to-back games than any other situation. He's actually least effective when he has multiple days to rest.

    It's somewhat surprising considering the fatigue factor but Manu is such a rhythm player that he's best with as little a break as possible.

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