Isiah talks about the trade

[ChumpDumper]

Now why would he do that since the CBA was the greatest investment in history?

He only bought it to sell it. When he didn't get his price he stopped paying everybody. I have no respect for him.

You don't seem to understand that by taking on certain salaries he might possibly be putting himself into a position get rid of even more of them

He's still paying Shandon Anderson and John Ameche to not paly for them. Bang up job there.

Who says he has any plans on using all of them? Do you really think that is his intention?

You tell me -- he got ALL of them! Tell me what his intention is when he drafted, signed, re-signed or traded for every one of the undersized forwards he now has. I'm sure Herb Williams would probably like to know as well.

I've never thought Mo Taylor was a clockpuncher.

That just proves you're an idiot.

What you fail to realize is that he can't just get any players he wants.

He wanted all those players he got -- you fail to realize that. And he constantly makes it more difficult ot get players he might actually want by drvining up the payroll, you fail to realize that as well.

I'm talking drafting.

No you aren't, you are talking about Nazr.

If Zeke trades Malik next year, will you defend that too?

[whottt]

Hes an idiot for NOT trading Marbury.

Fine


Isaih = God

Why is he an idiot for not trading Marbury?

I guess Tony Parker is an idiot too then...because he still thinks Marbury is best PG in the NBA and the toughest to guard.

God whottt you love to in suck of the worst people in the world.


Heal, Coyote, Palmeiro, now Thomas the GM.



I dont understand how you can hate on a in player that gets 11 and 9, and before his injury, was doing it consistently TOO!!!!!!!!

And you love sucking scrub of soft players that don't dunk.

And I don't understand how you can ing hate on a guy that was here for 8 years, during which time we won two les, and during which time he served the main back up big on our last le...and whose career high in points and boards is higher than either of the two 7 seven foot stiffs we now have...and whose career best PPG average, OFF THE BENCH is just about better than either of these centers as well.

If hear one more of you s tell me that Mohammed is going to play D, rebound and dunk...I am going to puke...what in the do you think Malik Rose has been doing here for the last 8 years?

[timvp]

I've supported Malik through thick and thin and even I won't try to come to the defense of Thomas. He's a stupid GM who is luckily for him replacing an even stupider GM.

However, that doesn't mean Nazr will be good. I think it's pretty much 50-50 that he'll be good or bust.

[T Park]

I aint in hating on Malik Rose get it through your Rose colored glasses.

Only problem with Malik, he would play D, rebound and Dunk, but hed also play very stupid, piss off the coach, and last year (purposely put myself further into the doghouse) and also his height lately has been hurting on the defensive end.


I loved Malik, great guy, great person, and he played well.

Its time for a change, and Mohammed will show hes a very good player.


Loose the in hate and cheer for the guy for christ sake.

[whottt]

He only bought it to sell it. When he didn't get his price he stopped paying everybody.

Why couldn't he sell it if it was such a great investment?

I have no respect for him.

I'm sure he loses sleep over that at night.

He's still paying Shandon Anderson and John Ameche to not paly for them. Bang up job there.

Yeah? And how long did we pay Charles Smith(our last intelligent trade with the Knicks..I forget who made it) after he was no longer here?

You tell me -- he got ALL of them! Tell me what his intention is when he drafted, signed, re-signed or traded for every one of the undersized forwards he now has.

Simple...instead of trying to make his roster fit a prototypical bodytype by position...he's saturation bombing and trying to find diamonds in the rough of guys who can rebound(when it matters) and who want to win...

It can work(and to prevent a denseness attack, let me point out that I refer to the unconventional lineup,)...There's a team called Phoenix that's pulling it off pretty well right now.

I'm sure Herb Williams would probably like to know as well.

Um if you want to bash Isiah then bash him for making a hack like Williams his head coach....then again maybe Phil is going there...didn't Phil always like Malik?

That just proves you're an idiot. He wanted all those players he got -- you fail to realize that.

Probably most of them...but that doesn't mean he thinks all of them are going to play for his team.

And he constantly makes it more difficult ot get players he might actually want by drvining up the payroll, you fail to realize that as well.

Like who? It's not like Knicks were going to be under the cap before he got there...they had the most ty contracts in the NBA.

I want you to tell me someone he has given up that is haunting him....

No you aren't, you are talking about Nazr.

If Zeke trades Malik next year, will you defend that too?

I'm talking about the fact that the major need his team has is Center...and if you listen real closely you will see him saying he had that need even with Mohammed on his team.

Prove to me that he is incapable of judging the worth of talent when it has played for him....

[exstatic]

The two or three additional years that he has, I'm very comfortable with paying those numbers.

Quick Quiz, Isaiah: is it two year or is it three years? Neither. It's FOUR years, after this one. Nice soft shoe dance, though.

[whottt]

And I might bash him if he trades Malik and I might not...it just depends on the trade. I'm not going to prejudge the trade, because he could make a good trade and he cold make a bad trade......


And FWIW I wasn't totally against trading Malik...I just don't like this particular trade. I don't think it locks up a le for us...I think it's given us more to overcome.


And I'm not impressed with Eastern Conference Bigmen to begin with...I take their stats with a grain of salt...how's KMart working out?

[whottt]

I aint in hating on Malik Rose get it through your Rose colored glasses.

Oh, you mean I over-reacted? Welcome to every post you make TPark...

Only problem with Malik, he would play D, rebound and Dunk, but hed also play very stupid, piss off the coach, and last year (purposely put myself further into the doghouse) and also his height lately has been hurting on the defensive end.

Yeah...but Malik always brought it. Can you say for certain this guy is going to? Or will we be without a hustle big off the bench?

And his height hurt against Yao...Um, Yao dwarfs Mohammed as well...Rasho just happens to have Yao's number, and I think that has more to do with the name on the front of the jersey than anything else.....that doesn't mean Mohammed is going to just be able to be plugged in there against Yao and have the success that Rasho has had against him...Yao has 5 inches on Mohamed.

Its time for a change, and Mohammed will show hes a very good player.


Loose the in hate and cheer for the guy for christ sake.

Me thinking it'll be easier to win a le with Malik than Mohammed isn't hate...nor is me pointing out that he is most likely going to be the same type of passive big that 90% of the C in the NBA are...it's just me being honest.

But go on...go buy your new jersey for a guy that has done exaxctly in his NBA career...as you throw your #31 in the trash. Then call me the hater.

[ChumpDumper]

Why couldn't he sell it if it was such a great investment?

He could've easily sold it. An offer was on the table.

I'm sure he loses sleep over that at night.

He doesn't. That's my point. He threw all of the young players out of work without a second thought. I'm sure you admire that.

Simple...instead of trying to make his roster fit a prototypical bodytype by position...he's saturation bombing and trying to find diamonds in the rough of guys who can rebound(when it matters) and who want to win...

He tried to get Rasho. Next.

Um if you want to bash Isiah then bash him for making a hack like Williams his head coach.

Just another bad decision. Really, if he was so ing great, he'd still be in Toronto.

Probably most of them...but that doesn't mean he thinks all of them are going to play for his team.

So pay them $50 million not to play even when they are on your team. Smart.

Like who? It's not like Knicks were going to be under the cap before he got there...they had the most ty contracts in the NBA.

He's making sure they will never be under the cap. Or even under $100 million anytime soon. Tell me how that is a good thing.

Prove to me that he is incapable of judging the worth of talent when it has played for him.

He re-signed Vin Baker and signed Jamison Brewer and Bruno Sundov who played for him in Indiana.

You're welcome.

[ChumpDumper]

I don't think it locks up a le for us...I think it's given us more to overcome.

Yet you still predict a le. The nonargument appears yet again.

how's KMart working out?

About the same as last year, only this year he has no shooting guard.

[T Park]

And his height hurt against Yao

except he defended Juwan Howard, but dont let facts get in the way hootie.

[whottt]

He could've easily sold it. An offer was on the table.

No doubt for a huge profit, since it was the best investment in history...he just preferred to lose his own money there.

He doesn't. That's my point.

Well and I would counter that with he probably doesn't have a ing clue you were born...making your point incredibly stupid.

He threw all of the young players out of work without a second thought.

And you know this for certain?

I'm sure you admire that.

And I'm sure you admire Hitler and Satan. And you hate Malik Rose with a passion that burns hotter than .

I'm sure you like to drink the blood of children and kick blind dogs in front of steam rollers...

Should we go on casting aspersions and twisting? head?

He tried to get Rasho. Next.

He was going to get Malik...last season for Kurt Thomas. And tried to get Malik and Rasho this season for Kurt Thomas and Mohammed.

And if he's as stupid as you guys say then why didn't he do that trade(Malik Thomas)?

Really, if he was so ing great, he'd still be in Toronto.

He resigned from the Raptors. He wasn't fired.

And if you weren't a ing re you would see that I am not so much defending Thomas' abilities as a GM as I am pointing out that he is a pretty decent judge of talent...He is.

He's making sure they will never be under the cap. Or even under $100 million anytime soon.

Maybe, and maybe he'll move them for expiring contract...something he has the option to do at anytime...I think he's more concerned with winning right now and feels his best chance for that lies in the draft...

Maybe he's smart enough to realize that you don't get franchise C's for undersized PF's in the NBA.

Tell me how that is a good thing.He re-signed Vin Baker and signed Jamison Brewer

Well...Since Vin Baker now plays for the Rockets and Jamison Brewer now plays for the Spurs...what does that say about the Rockets and Spurs?

It's not like he had tons of cash to go out and sign FA's. All he could get was MLE and LLE and he got guys he knew. Don't forget Mengke Bateer was on our team once. That kinda happens.

and Bruno Sundov who played for him in Indiana.

Too bad we didn't sign him instead of Marks or we might not have had to trade Malik. Bigger is better right?

[whottt]

except he defended Juwan Howard, but dont let facts get in the way hootie.

Malik being active on the roster meant the absence of another bigger man to put on Yao, or do you not realize that we just made a trade?...but don't let stupidity get in the way TParkie.

[ChumpDumper]

No doubt for a huge profit, since it was the best investment in history...he just preferred to lose his own money there.

Actually he'd still be making money off the deal.

And you know this for certain?

The league shut down. Players weren't paid.

you hate Malik Rose with a passion that burns hotter than .

Back to the lies. Didn't take long.

Should we go on casting aspersions and twisting?

You will, we all know that.

He tried to get Malik...last season for Kurt Thomas. And tried to get Malik and Rasho this season for Kurt Thomas and Mohammed.

Which undermines your "nontraditional lineup" argument completely. Thanks for agreeing.

He resigned from the Raptors. He wasn't fired.

LMAO, yeah, he'd still be there otherwise.

And if you weren't a ing re you sould that I am not so much defending Thomas' abilities as a GM as I am pointing out that he is a pretty decent judge of talent...He is.

Back to the list with you.

Maybe, and maybe he'll move them for expiring contract...something he has the option to do at anytime.

You act like teams line up to take on crappy contracts. The truth is only the Knicks are willing to do so consistently -- and that's because of Zeke.

I think he's more concerned with winning right now and feels his best chance for that lies in the draft...

I think he's going to include the picks in yet another trade. This isn't a terribly strong draft coming up.

Maybe he's smart enough to realize that you don't get franchise C's for undersized PF's in the NBA.

What do you get for those? Espscially the ones with huge contracts?

Well...Since Vin Baker now plays for the Rockets and Jamison Brewer now plays for the Spurs...what does that say about the Rockets and Spurs?

That they were throw ins. Zeke sought these guys out. Defend that without trying to weakly change the subject.

he got guys he knew

Who sucked. You're welcome again.

[ChumpDumper]

Don't forget Mengke Bateer was on our team once. That kinda happens.

Guess who signed him after it was well known he sucked?

[whottt]

Guess who signed him after it was well known he sucked?

Guess who signed Charlie Ward after it was known(to some) that he sucked?

I'll BBIAB to sort out the rest of your lies and twists.

[ChumpDumper]

Changing the subject again?

Typical bull .

Just admit I'm right about his choices of players being a mixed bag.

[whottt]

Changing the subject again?

Typical bull .

Just admit I'm right about his choices of players being a mixed bag.

How the did I change the subject? I just applied the same dumbass logic you are using to the Spurs and responded to you.

And why don't you just admit that your list of players is players aquired while with the Knicks, which had the most bad contracts in the NBA when he got there, and some of those players whom we ourselves have aquired...and it's not a list of his draft picks or the players he has influenced teams to draft.

So get that list why don't you...especially since that is the only thing I am actually trying to defend.

I swear...it's like you expect Tim Duncan and Garnett to be on that list and since they aren't you think you've proved he can't judge talent.

And don't cite LLE or vet min guys to me because the Spurs sign ty players as well in that situation...IF Marks was such a stud we wouldn't be trading for Mohammed and Brewer now would we?




The true irony here is...you guys say he's a dumbass for taking on Malik's contract...um, who gave Malik that contract?

You guys say he does dumbass trades, and maybe in some aspects he does...but what I don't see him getting burnt on the talent end of it.....IOW, I don't see him giving up good players and getting in return.

Malik Rose isn't ...

You can bash his financial decisions all you want...but I repeat..I see nothing to indicate he doesn't know the difference between talent and when he has it.

You guys think he missed the boat on Mohammed...I simply think he knew what he had in Mohammed, and while he may not have won the financial end of this deal...he didn't give up a better player than he was getting.

[ChumpDumper]

How the did I change the subject?

You aren't talking abotu Zeke.

and it's not a list of his draft picks

They're in there. RIF.[QUOTE]You guys say he does dumbass trades, and maybe in some aspects he does.[QUOTE]What a ringing endorsement. Great support for your argument.

I see nothing to indicate he doesn't know the difference between talent and when he has it.

Baker, Brewer, Sundov. Change the subject.

he didn't give up a better player than he was getting.

So what? He already had three other players like Malik. How much do you honestly think Malik is going to play? Is he a good fit and worth the money he will be paying him?

You guys think he missed the boat on Mohammed...I simply think he knew what he had in Mohammed, and while he may not have won the financial end of this deal.

He was desperate for the picks -- he can wave them about as something he can use in the future so he might be able to hang on to his job into the summer. Talent doesn't seem to have much to do with this trade. Talent-wise it's a wash.

Malik Rose isn't ...

Nor is Nazr.

[genghisrex]

And if he's as stupid as you guys say then why didn't he do that trade(Malik Thomas)?

There was an article just a day ago that mentioned that the only reason that that deal didn't go through is because the Knicks owner overruled Thomas when he found out how much money Malik had left on his contract. Isiah was fully ready to make that trade.

He resigned from the Raptors. He wasn't fired.

Coaches and GMs "resign" all the time. Sometimes it's legit and other times it's simply the higher-ups letting them exit gracefully. Resignations are often just buyouts which allow coaches and GMs to save some face, while letting owners save money by paying only part of the remaining salary on their contracts. If an owner fires someone, they get to eat the full salary -- it's simple economics. I don't know the specifics in this case, but the fact that Isiah wasn't "fired" means little at face value.

Maybe he's smart enough to realize that you don't get franchise C's for undersized PF's in the NBA.

You don't get franchise centers with bottom of the draft picks either. You don't even get moderately productive centers that low without a lot of luck. You can get plenty of undersized PFs that low, though, and some of them will end up being productive. Undersized PFs are a dime a dozen -- not to say Malik isn't a very good one -- but productive centers are not. If Nazr proves to be one in the Spurs system then this trade was a steal.

It's not like he had tons of cash to go out and sign FA's. All he could get was MLE and LLE and he got guys he knew. Don't forget Mengke Bateer was on our team once. That kinda happens.

If happens once it's an accident. If happens twice (signing guys you know suck) something stinks. Sometimes you have to take back worthless players (Brewer) in trades to get what you want, but you never have to sign players in free agency that you know are worthless. If a GM just goes out and signs players he knows (and who suck), how does that show that he's a good evaluator of talent again?

[whottt]

Classic Chumpism

He doesn't. That's my point. He threw all of the young players out of work without a second thought.

To which Whottt responded:

And you know this for certain?

And Chump upchucked...

The league shut down. Players weren't paid.

I can understand you not being able to draw linear conclusions from my points...I can't understand you not being able to draw them from your own.

ing classic...I know, I know, I am a liar.

[ChumpDumper]

He never once showed any regret.

If you really want to know about second thoughts, ask Zeke. If there was one it didn't matter.

It's nice for you to go off on this tangent after being so heavily ghengismacked.

Classic hootie.

[whottt]

Actually he'd still be making money off the deal.

So let me get this straight...Isiah spent 4 million of his own money on a economic powerhouse to either sell it to the NBA or indulge his sadistic side and put young brothers out of work....Making any sort of profit had nothing to do with it right? Since he couldn't make as much of a profit as he wanted he chose to take a loss and to oppress young ballas...

You're a Chump.

Back to the lies. Didn't take long.

Right...everytime you do it I will be be doing it in my response...get used to it. When you stop I'll stop. Two can play the negative interpretation game...and I think I am better at it than you are.

Which undermines your "nontraditional lineup" argument completely.

Not if you think Rasho and Malik are better than Thomas and Mohammed. Which I think they are.

LMAO, yeah, he'd still be there otherwise.

Gotta link to prove he was run and didn't quit over frustrations or a lack of power with the owner?

Back to the list with you.

And I'm still waiting for the list that has Stoudamire and Camby on it...liar.

You act like teams line up to take on crappy contracts. The truth is only the Knicks are willing to do so consistently -- and that's because of Zeke.

Right, because the Knicks didn't have any crappy contracts before Isiah got there.

And teams also don't line up to take already existing ty contracts off your hands while dumping talent and draft picks in your lap either.

I think he's going to include the picks in yet another trade.

I think that's a possiblity too. In fact I said so. Then again...if you weren't ignorant you would know he is a pretty good drafter and maybe he sees something.

This isn't a terribly strong draft coming up.

Well the Knicks need talent and they don't have they cash to sign outside FA...so how else are they supposed to get it...yout think teams are going to take their ty contracts and give them talent and draft picks in the process?

What do you get for those? Espscially the ones with huge contracts?

You can get mediocre Eastern Conference Centers for them...

That they were throw ins. Zeke sought these guys out.

Yeah...and we sought Shawn Marks out.

Please let me make stupid points without challenging them

No.

[whottt]

What a ringing endorsement. Great support for your argument.

I'm not trying to give him a ringing endorsement...RIF. How many more times you want me to say it? I'm saying that I don't think he's got many options and I don't think he's a ty judge of talent.

Baker, Brewer, Sundov. Change the subject.

Sorry Chump...but if you make a stupid point I am going to point out why it is stupid.

So what? He already had three other players like Malik.

Three other players like Malik? How many of those players have lasted 8 years as a key reserve with a perennial le contender...how many of them have two rings?

How much do you honestly think Malik is going to play?

Dunno. I know how much he should play...he should at the least be the main back up big for them getting his 20 mins per game. Whether or not that is going to happen I don't know...just like I don't know how Malik is going to respond to being traded.

Is he a good fit and worth the money he will be paying him?

Dunno...

He was desperate for the picks -- he can wave them about as something he can use in the future so he might be able to hang on to his job into the summer.

He didn't get any picks out of the Mo Taylor trade...he actually gave one up I think.

Talent doesn't seem to have much to do with this trade. Talent-wise it's a wash.

We will see won't we.

[ChumpDumper]

Isiah spent 4 million of his own money on a economic powerhouse to either sell it to the NBA or indulge his sadistic side and put young brothers out of business.

That's how Isiah chose to do it.

Not if you think Rasho and Malik are better than Thomas and Mohammed.

"Nontraditional." RIF.

And I'm still waiting for the list that has Stoudamire and Camby on it...liar.

He acquired them for New York? Link?

he is a pretty good drafter and maybe he sees something.

What part of "mixed bag of acquisitions" do you not understand?

Well the Knicks need talent and they don't have they cash to sign outside FA...so how else are they supposed to get it.

Now that they are locked into more bad contracts? Packageing them with the picks.

You can get mediocre Eastern Conference Centers for them.

Only if you are New York, becauase the Knicks are the only team that takes them. If there was another Zeke out there this would have a better chance of working. There isn't.

Please let me act like Shane Heal played in the Euroleague compe ion last year and Noel Felix didn't play in Europe this year. Don't expose my complete ignorance of these and other things.

Not a ing chance.