If Holt-CAT were so cheap...

[ChumpDumper]

Saying that he's not a good defender doesn't mean that you hate the guy.

Try criticizing Malik's game in one of theses threads....

[timvp]

So you don't have a negative view on Nazr, his defense or his heart? Coulda fooled me.

I guess you've been fooled. Link to a post where I question his defense and/or heart. You must be getting me confused with Whottt.

I haven't watched enough Knicks games this year to make a judgement one way or another on Nazr Mohammed. And even if I had been able to stand the site of a couple more Knicks games, I still wouldn't know enough to say that I'd know exactly how Nazr was going to fit. Players from the Knicks have a bad habit of sucking on the Spurs.

And? What have I done to make you think differently from a basketball standpoint? All I've done is put the trade in its full context. Every owner has his limits. Every one.

Congrats. You just constructed a five sentence paragraph with no rhyme, reason, meaning or context. I don't know how to respond to that even if I wanted to.

Since you can't tell me that's happening for sure right now, it's pretty much like any trade regardless of the finances. That's what makes it better than your average salary dump.

I'll take wait and see approach to this trade. The Spurs should be privy to all the game tape necessary to figure out if Nazr is good or not.

Again, if this was a basketball move, I'm happy. If this was a straight up salary dump, I'm not happy.

Got it?

[ChumpDumper]

Congrats. You just constructed a five sentence paragraph with no rhyme, reason, meaning or context. I don't know how to respond to that even if I wanted to.

Not my problem. I feel the same way I always did about the trade from a basketball standpoint. The fact that Nazr can play and could give the Spurs things Malik could not makes it different from a flat out salary dump. You figured that out without comprehending five senteces.

I'll take wait and see approach to this trade.

Me too, just as I said.

Again, if this was a basketball move, I'm happy. If this was a straight up salary dump, I'm not happy.

Got it?

That you don't know yet speaks volumes.

Got it?

[timvp]

That you don't know yet speaks volumes.

Got it?

So if Nazr sucks, you'll consider this a good trade? If Nazr is awesome and the Spurs lose him in next summer, you'll consider this a good trade?

Questions.

[ChumpDumper]

Again, it also depends on Scola. These things don't happen in a vacuum. If Nazr gets beat out by Horry or Massenburg, how is that so different a result than Rose, regardless of your opinion of when you think he should have played?

A consistent frontline rotation including Nazr would probably have to be considered a success from a basketball standpoint in this system.

[T Park]

But Nazr doesnt have a philly steak sandwich resteraunt.

He hasn't been here 8 years.

Duh.

[Kori Ellis]

Kori, let it go.

Let what go?

[Sec24Row7]

For the love of God people.

The Spurs aren't here to entertain you, there is no reason to own a damn team if it isn't going to make money yearly or appreciate for resale.

Holt and his partners spend the money they need to to make this team a contender and they always will.

Don't forget that he spent a ton of money this summer on Manu and Tony, he is OVER the cap, and he has to give away a SIGNIFICANT percentage of his profit to the family that owned the ABA team that was not incorperated into the NBA as ALL former ABA teams have to.

That is a HUGE hit and makes dealing with salaries even TRICKIER.

The same goons that at owners for not paying people enough are the same people that about beer prices and ticket prices.

Ticket prices for the spurs are at the bottom of the league or damned close to it.

We have a new arena that the city under Ed "I'm a dip " Garza couldn't compromise with him on to get it downtown where it should be.

Our team has the best record in the league and has won 2 championships in the last 5 years.

Why the WOULD he spend more money than he needed to?

Some of you people really need to understand how the real world works.

[MosesGuthrie]

The Spurs should play to win.

They are 42-13. With all due respect, you really don't think they are playing to win? I didn't like to see Malik leave but I also know its not personal, its business. I have watched pro sports all my life and I have seen it morph into the multi-billion dollar business it has become. I don't like it but that is what it is. Personally I am all about the name on the front of the jersey. Holt did piss me off with what he did with Parker this summer but two championships in six years (and on track for a third this year) to me is better than a team like Dallas who spends money out the ass but has nothing to show for it. Holt is frugal, and it might cost the Spurs one day...so far the team has remained compe ive and a championship contender. The Spurs were not going to win the le this year because of Malik Rose, but they are not going to lose it because of Malik Rose either.

just my .02

[MosesGuthrie]

and he has to give away a SIGNIFICANT percentage of his profit to the family that owned the ABA team that was not incorperated into the NBA as ALL former ABA teams have to.

The owners of the St. Louis Spirit. Actually what they are guaranteed is one full share of every TV contract.

[exstatic]

Actually what they are guaranteed is one full share of every TV contract.

Part of the NBA/ABA merger was that only the four former ABA teams have to pay into that One Share. That means that Denver, SA, NJ, and Indy only get .75 of a share of TV revenues. Those owners have gone over that contract with a microscope, and the only way out is a HUGE buyout. The last time I looked, they were asking $100M.

Still think Holt-CAT is cheap, operating with one limb tied behind his back, so to speak?

[MosesGuthrie]

I stand corrected. Thank you, sir.

[Sec24Row7]

No, the last thing they OFFERED was 100 million and the royalty owners just laughed at them.

Why get bought out for 100 million when you are making 30-50 million a year for just sitting home and having a mailbox and the checks keep getting bigger.

That would be stupid.

[exstatic]

Question: if these two gentlemen were to die, would their estate still collect, or does the payday end with their demise? Anyone know?

[Sec24Row7]

The contract gives no end date for the percentage.

It says "infinitum" so that "override", just like a regular override can be passed on to heirs.

Since it is strictly cash coming in, I would imagine that these men have already done some estate planning and have given some of it away to their kids in order to avoid huge estate tax hits.

[Rick Von Braun]

Most people don't understand that the NBA is a business.

The owner of any business has one goal only... to win (and I am not talking in a basketball sense).

The problem is that people (fans) tend to get very emotional with sports (including myself), so sometimes we lose perspective.

If you don't like the service/product provided, don't consume it.

[Jimcs50]

It is the owner's responsibility to put the best team out there in order to give them the best chance to win.

I do not think Holt is cheap at all. The Spurs have some of the best facilities in the NBA, they have been winners in 90% of their seasons. We Spurs fans should thank our lucky stars that we have this team to root for, instead of a team like Atlanta, Denver, New Jersey or the Clippers, teams that come from much larger markets, but never seem to do anything with that extra revenue to win games on a consistant basis.

[exstatic]

Thanks, Sec24. Damn, I'd like to be one of their kids!

[timvp]

Don't forget that he spent a ton of money this summer on Manu and Tony, he is OVER the cap, and he has to give away a SIGNIFICANT percentage of his profit to the family that owned the ABA team that was not incorperated into the NBA as ALL former ABA teams have to.

That is a HUGE hit and makes dealing with salaries even TRICKIER.

You do know that accounts for only about three million dollars, right?

[exstatic]

Too bad its more like 12 million.

Well, there you go. Malik, over the tax = $12M. Coincidence? I think not...

[exstatic]

Actually, they have separate deals for Cable (TNT 2.2B/6 years) and broadcast TV (ABC/ESPN 2.4B/6 years), so the annual "cut" is more like 24 Mil per team when you add them together, and divide by 32 teams and 6 years. 30 mil wasn't so far off.

InsideHoops TV contract info

[Kori Ellis]

So, it's $4M a year per team?

[timvp]

Yeah eventually those St. Louis mofos are going to bank huge money, but right now to say that Holt is handcuffed by it is underestimating how much the Spurs bring in and pay out in a given year. Holt just had to pony up $3M to send away Rose.

[MosesGuthrie]

, i'd take 4 mil a year for life.

[exstatic]

Actually, they have separate deals for Cable (TNT 2.2B/6 years) and broadcast TV (ABC/ESPN 2.4B/6 years), so the annual "cut" is more like 24 Mil per team when you add them together, and divide by 32 teams and 6 years. 30 mil wasn't so far off.

With the TWO deals in place, a former ABA team's share is $6M to make a "share" ($24M) for the STL blood suckers.