i heard the spurs are trying to get david lee or brad miller?

[Biggems]

Hill for Lee is absolutely a no-brainer. I love Hill, I think he is absolutely a stud with a of a future ahead of him. But with Tony Parker on the Spurs, Hill will never be able to play the minutes he is good enough to earn. This is practically Tony's team now, and having a good backup for him is imperative. But getting a starting 4/5 to put next to Duncan is so much more important than a guy who will never give us more than a dozen + minutes a night.

Lee is a starter, he's a monster on the boards. He is the quicker player to put next to Duncan that can actually rebound. Lee would provide a much needed 30 minutes a game and that is more important than finding someone who can bring the ball up the floor for 15 minutes a game.

It is precisely why we like Hill so much that he could tempt New York into actually biting on this trade.

now way do you give Hill away right now. I would rather give away the rights to Splitter.

[DespЏrado]

now way do you give Hill away right now. I would rather give away the rights to Splitter.

I would obviously love it if New York would take Bonner and bag of peanuts rather than give up Hill, but if New York would only make a deal involving Hill, I am just saying I would take it. He sure wouldn't be in my first offer, splitter is the more obvious choice because it's pretty much an even trade at the same position.

Either way I'd trade anyone not named Duncan, Parker, Manu, and Mason for the chance to put Lee next to Duncan.

Lee would be the third or fourth best player on this team on any given night, making him a far more important piece than our 6th or 7th best player.

[senorglory]

I'm not as alarmed as the rest of ST members about our apparent hole in the front court lineup, and I think I agree with 025 that filling the backup PG position was a higher priority this season than bringing in a another big. I think the Spurs have successfully played the 5 spot by committee for many seasons now, and can do it again this season once everyone gels. I also think Thomas and Oberto will be productive once they are fully healthy and in game condition.

I also think the Spurs have been secretly transformed by Pop into a part-time small-ball team over the last couple of seasons, and that it looks a little weird to many Spurs homers that are accustomed to the twin towers of old.

I think we're looking good this year.

[Spursfanfromafar]

Is this a viable way of getting David Lee : (Link points to ESPN NBA Trade Machine)

What do you think?

[venitian navigator]

Is this a viable way of getting David Lee : (Link points to ESPN NBA Trade Machine)

What do you think?

I think is a good trade, but that N.Y. is not going to get anough (at the end, just expiring contracts) to bite.
I think that, if we realy want to obtain Lee, the only way is giving them the Splitter's rights...'cause he's the some role of Lee, probably a better nba player and in the future is going to hurt the N.Y. salary only for the "rookie" amount of money...in the LBJ + other all star year (2010)!
That would be an Ideal solution for N.Y. ...if their schedule is plaiyng the "big role" only in the 2010 summer...

[Spursfanfromafar]

I think is a good trade, but that N.Y. is not going to get anough (at the end, just expiring contracts) to bite.

But they do get Brad Miller, a player they would covet in D'Antoni's system; wouldn't they? Great passing skills, good high post play, capable of banging in the low post for rebounds and weaknesses that do not quite play out in a 7Sec or Less system. Plus he is not just an expiring contract, he gives them this year and the next.

On the other hand, I suspect that the Kings get very little in the bargain apart from the giga-expiring contract of Marbury. But that fits well within their plan of re-building. Will Geoff Petrie bite?

[Spursfanfromafar]

Again.. somebody; please pique my curiousity:

Whats wrong with this trade: Is it a viable way of getting David Lee : (Link points to ESPN NBA Trade Machine)... From all accounts, he seems the only available big man with hustle who could be the addition... if at all..it is decided to have an addition to the squad that is as it is now.

[superbigtime]

I would obviously love it if New York would take Bonner and bag of peanuts rather than give up Hill, but if New York would only make a deal involving Hill, I am just saying I would take it. He sure wouldn't be in my first offer, splitter is the more obvious choice because it's pretty much an even trade at the same position.

Either way I'd trade anyone not named Duncan, Parker, Manu, and Mason for the chance to put Lee next to Duncan.

Lee would be the third or fourth best player on this team on any given night, making him a far more important piece than our 6th or 7th best player.

+1

[pad300]

Is this a viable way of getting David Lee : (Link points to ESPN NBA Trade Machine)

What do you think?

It's certainly viable from the Spurs POV. I'm not sure about the Kings, nor the Knicks. While I agree with you that the Knicks will happily use Lee to move deals for more capspace in the 2010 FA market, Marbury is not the guy to move for that. The Contracts they would want to move are either Curry or Jeffries; Marbury's expires for the 2010 offseason. I'm not sure the Kings see any value in acquiring Marbury; I am not sure that they want to be major players in the 2009 FA market, rather than in 2010...

Rather, I tend to see a proposal like this :

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/feature...8~18&te=&cash=
or this
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/feature...8~18&te=&cash=

as being more likely. SA gets Lee for the price of eating Jeffries's bad contract (note, this might SA in lux tax territory this year. It probably does so next year as well, assuming we resign Lee for $7-8 million per year, which looks like it might be on the cheap even. It also mucks with the "2010 Plan".). It might be neccessary to include picks or rights to foreign players. I would not be averse to sending Tiago's rights to New York. While Tiago is a very good player, I think it will be very difficult to get him to the NBA due to the Rookie salary scale...

[lefty]

We have nothing to offer for David Lee.

[lefty]

Hill for Lee is absolutely a no-brainer. I love Hill, I think he is absolutely a stud with a of a future ahead of him. But with Tony Parker on the Spurs, Hill will never be able to play the minutes he is good enough to earn. This is practically Tony's team now, and having a good backup for him is imperative. But getting a starting 4/5 to put next to Duncan is so much more important than a guy who will never give us more than a dozen + minutes a night.

Lee is a starter, he's a monster on the boards. He is the quicker player to put next to Duncan that can actually rebound. Lee would provide a much needed 30 minutes a game and that is more important than finding someone who can bring the ball up the floor for 15 minutes a game.

It is precisely why we like Hill so much that he could tempt New York into actually biting on this trade.

Are you freaking crazy ??????

Hill is the kind of backup we've been badly missing for years.

No, no no

[Manufan909]

Are you freaking crazy ??????

Hill is the kind of backup we've been badly missing for years.

No, no no

Lee is the kind of athletic big Pop hasn't had since Drob, and Mason could fill in for PG. I don't know the stats, but I think he was more productive at PG.
Yes, yes, yes

P.S. I would be ok with everyone but the Big 4+Mason to be dealt before they put up Hill, but Hill for Lee is too good. I'd still get sad, because Hill has so much potential.

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

They would if Isaiah Thomas were still their GM.

They did it in 05 didn't they?

Touche.

I have seen Lee play, but didn't watch his post defence - what's he like 1-on-1 against a good low-post centre? To truly fit the Spurs the guy needs to be able to defend guys like Shaq and Bynum.

[DespЏrado]

Are you freaking crazy ??????

Hill is the kind of backup we've been badly missing for years.

No, no no

I think you missed my point. Hill has exceeded all of my expectations of an unknown out of IUPUI, right now he has to look like another diamond in the rough kind of player like Manu and Tony. We need to use that to our advantage. Hill will never play more than a dozen minutes on any given night with the Spurs. We don't have minutes for a backup PG over the 12-15 minutes Tony needs to get his breather.

I love Hill's heart, hustle, defense, rebounding, and 3 point shooting, but I would give that all up for a guy we can actually keep on the floor for more than 20 minutes a night. No matter how good Hill is, he won't take more than a backup's worth of minutes from Tony. Pop will always look down the bench and call Tony's number before Hill's. For as good as Hill is, we can't ever utilize him more than we could use a double double machine at the 4/5 to put next to Duncan.

[silk]

don't the spurs want to see what mahinmi can give before trading for a guy who will take his supposed spot in the rotation ?

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

don't the spurs want to see what mahinmi can give before trading for a guy who will take his supposed spot in the rotation ?

OMG, someone talking sense!

Don't worry, the Knick aren't giving us Lee for a $2 watch, so this is really just an ST fantasy circle jerk. Enjoy!

[Manufan909]

Talking sense means implying Mahinmi has a supposed spot in the rotation? I want someone who can help out, not someone who has been injured for what seems like forever. Ian can always beat out Fab/Bonner/KT, and then the SPurs will have 2 athletic bigs to back up Tim.

And we all know it's a circle jerk Ruff, but it's all we have til CIA Pop reveals his plan.

[underdawg]

OMG, someone talking sense!

Don't worry, the Knick aren't giving us Lee for a $2 watch, so this is really just an ST fantasy circle jerk. Enjoy!

I mentioned it in a different thread (with no response,) but what are the chances of acquiring Cheikh Samb? He was part of the Iverson trade from Detroit and the Nuggets traded him to the Clippers for a 2015 second round pick. Watched a bit of him tonight vs OKC and he has some potential - he definitely would provide shot blocking and rebounds and runs the floor well too.

[Sotongball21]

i was just wondering..
what about tayshaun for mason? wouldn't that be sweet?
juuuuust wondering haha

[Spursfanfromafar]

It's certainly viable from the Spurs POV. I'm not sure about the Kings, nor the Knicks. While I agree with you that the Knicks will happily use Lee to move deals for more capspace in the 2010 FA market, Marbury is not the guy to move for that. The Contracts they would want to move are either Curry or Jeffries; Marbury's expires for the 2010 offseason. I'm not sure the Kings see any value in acquiring Marbury; I am not sure that they want to be major players in the 2009 FA market, rather than in 2010...

I still believe that the Kings will bite on this. Check these discussions on this arbitrary Kings Forum: http://kingsforum.net/?p=321 The idea that Petrie was behind was to get under the cap in 2009 and that purpose is solved by getting in Mr. 20 million but useless Stephon.

For the Knicks, they get a good center with a good potential in D'Antoni's system and who comes off the books well in time for 2010's cap space clearance. With the Knicks not in a position to sign Lee to a decent contract even if he is restricted the end of season; Brad Miller fills a Lee like position for 2009-10.

In Ime Udoka, D'Antoni gets a poorer but similar version of Raja Bell to augment his non-existent perimeter defense. I am sure Walsh would try his best to move Jeffries/ James/Rose/Curry to someone who is willing to take in some corpses/crap, but I am sure that is not going to happen in a bad economy as this. Don't be surprised if something of the sort that I predicted does happen.

For the Spurs, Lee obviously brings in some hustle and rebounding, even if he doesn't quite bring in any special blocking ability; but he is an upgrade over the smart Fab, who seems to have run out of wheels this season. Shelden Williams will remain a second half project, but I predict he will be most likely be cut.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I still believe that the Kings will bite on this. Check these discussions on this arbitrary Kings Forum: http://kingsforum.net/?p=321 The idea that Petrie was behind was to get under the cap in 2009 and that purpose is solved by getting in Mr. 20 million but useless Stephon.

For the Knicks, they get a good center with a good potential in D'Antoni's system and who comes off the books well in time for 2010's cap space clearance. With the Knicks not in a position to sign Lee to a decent contract even if he is restricted the end of season; Brad Miller fills a Lee like position for 2009-10.

In Ime Udoka, D'Antoni gets a poorer but similar version of Raja Bell to augment his non-existent perimeter defense. I am sure Walsh would try his best to move Jeffries/ James/Rose/Curry to someone who is willing to take in some corpses/crap, but I am sure that is not going to happen in a bad economy as this. Don't be surprised if something of the sort that I predicted does happen.

For the Spurs, Lee obviously brings in some hustle and rebounding, even if he doesn't quite bring in any special blocking ability; but he is an upgrade over the smart Fab, who seems to have run out of wheels this season. Shelden Williams will remain a second half project, but I predict he will be most likely be cut.

3 scrubs is not going to get a starter. Try again. Ime has taken a big step back this year, Oberto is hurt and Vaughn is just plain awful. Expiring contracts are nice but they stiull have to field a team and 3 guys that are literally our IR and back end of the bench is not going to get it done.

[Chieflion]

Giving negative value players (according to Kings because they probably will have no capspace next year anyway) plus + cancerbury ain't gonna cut for the Kings, but we cannot cut the Kings out. New York says yes if they can get rid of Cancerbury.

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

Just to inform the circle jerk, here's 5 questions with David Lee from Mark Stein's ESPN daily dime:

"Five questions with Knicks forward David Lee:

Q: Pretty much every player we've asked this says they love playing in Mike D'Antoni's system. How did you think you'd fit in when you heard he was going to be your coach?

A: For every person that said that it'd be a good fit [for me], I think there were some people that said, "Well, they want a Dirk Nowitzki-style guy that can just sit out there and shoot." So I looked at what Amare Stoudemire has done in the past and -- obviously I'm not the player that Amare is -- but I knew if I could get in shape and really get the pick-and-roll going ... I knew I could be effective. It's been a blessing for me for Chris [Duhon] to come here. Chris and I have developed a good relationship as far as the pick-and-roll and that's the center of his whole offense.

Q: Were you really out of shape?

A: In years past I would have been in great shape for how we were playing, but I think I started in the preseason probably about 10 pounds heavier than I should have been. Once I got in better shape, I got a lot of my explosiveness up to a level that I haven't had since I was in college and high school. I've dropped about 15 pounds since the season started already. Now I just keep working on that 15-footer and trying to expand my game.

Q: What's the state of your 15-footer at this point? How much can you improve it at this stage of your career?

A: I think it's gone from being nonexistent to now where you play and guys will close out and they'll actually try to take away the jump shot, which is good. Believe it or not, I've gotten to the point where I think mechanically it's where I want to be. Now it's about continuing to have confidence in my shot. I'll have games where I hit four or five jumpers and feel great. And then I'll have games where I'll miss one badly ... great shooters in this league don't worry about that. Ray Allen will air ball two in a row and swish his next three.

Q: Can this team really tune out all the talk about the summer of 2010? I imagine it's not as easy as it sounds.

A: Part of playing in New York is knowing you're going to have to deal with that stuff. When you sign with a New York team, whether it's basketball or baseball or whatever, you kind of understand that there's going to be constant media focus on everything. With what I've personally been through in the last three years, between Larry Brown, Isiah [Thomas], all the players, all the [Stephon] Marbury stuff, I've pretty much seen 20 years of drama in three years. But I personally think I'm stronger for having gone through all that.

Something I've learned is that there's athletes that go to New York and kind of thrive off the pressure and there's guys that go there and are a little uncomfortable. I never averaged 10 rebounds in college. I never averaged 15 points in college. So it's something that I think I've taken as kind of a challenge, knowing that every game you go out there you can't play badly, because you can go from being the man to the mule in New York City in about a week's time.

Q: What about all the trade speculation? You have to be one of the league leaders when it comes to being mentioned in potential deals. How do you handle that?

A: I talk to [team president] Donnie Walsh and some of those people. I've tried to keep it as simple as possible and take everything as a compliment. It's not as though [the Knicks are] trying to get rid of me. It's other teams that are coming in and offering stuff. I love New York. I love playing here, but I understand it's a business. I'd love to play the rest of my career in New York City, but I try to control the things I can control and keep playing ball to the best of my abilities.

The one frustrating part is that it's constantly talked about and constantly an issue and friends and family always saying, "I saw this, I saw that." The first thing I learned when I got to New York is not to read the paper and not to read the Internet. That's like rule No. 1. So I just hear about [trade speculation] when friends will call and say, "We heard you're going to Denver or we heard you're going to Portland." I don't concentrate on that too much because, if I focused on that, I think I've been traded about 65 times in four years. "

Sounds like a great kid and a natural Spur to me. And yes, I'd probably deal George for him at this point as he could help us win for the rest of the Duncan era (which I'm sure george could also do, but we need an athletic big so badly...).

Now if only this weren't a circle-jerk...

[m33p0]

david lee > amare stoudamire

just want to put it out there.