Is Manu Ginobili Just A Jump Shooter These Days?

[IronMexican]

I think it had a lot to do with Sasha being dressed. Manu just couldn't focus, although he never guarded him.

[doldrums]

Ducks, I normally ignore your comments, but your hate on Manu is sickening. I'll tell you what, we'll trade him for a snickers bar providing you return your home lobotomy set. It's embarrassing to have you as a fellow spurs fan. If it were an intelligent discussion it would be one thing, but you just toss out names of people that you HAVE NO IDEA ABOUT.

[ducks]

Last years playoffs and this years storyline proves that the Spurs are not championship quality without the Old Manu. Old Manu was always the difference for this team. Funny that haters like Ducks will never admit how important Old Manu was to this squad.

Doesn't really matter because just look at who the Manu haters are, enough said. Nevertheless, this version of Manu is trade bait.

old manu was a big key
HE IS FINSHED NOW though
so trading him when he has some value is HUGE FOR THE SUCCESS OF SPURS

[ducks]

I'd like Diaw on the team but his salary would have to be at least half of what he's getting right now. He's badly overpaid.

And not even Isiah would trade Manu for Diaw Ducks. Quit saying BS to prove your point.
We all know we aren't getting the best out of Manu right now but you must have selective amnesia to plead for such a ridiculous trade.

with this version of manu
he is more overpaid then DIAW

[Kori Ellis]

old manu was a big key
HE IS FINSHED NOW though
so trading him when he has some value is HUGE FOR THE SUCCESS OF SPURS

Finished?

How does 15/4/4 and 46% from the field = finished? That's about his career numbers. He's also averaging less turnovers and fouls than he did last year.

He's not shooting well from 3 right now, but he's not finished.

He's had games of 27, 21 and 26 in the last 10 days or so. Do you only watch the games when he plays poorly?

[rascal]

Just a few games ago, Manu looked like he was getting back into form - being a lot more aggressive and taking it to the rack. The last two games, he hasn't been himself but I think it's WAY too early to think that he's just washed up and a jump shooter now.

I don't understand all this he isn't himself excuses or he isn't healthy excuse. He is an inconsistent player, always has been.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

If people are thinking Manu is finished just by watching today's game then they really aren't giving nearly enough credit to how well Kobe guarded Manu. Normally I wouldn't mind Kobe guarding Manu if he ends up wearing himself out, but the Lakers supporting cast didn't need any late game Kobe heroics today.

[ducks]

Of the big three, the only one I'm willing to trade is Manu. It'd suck but his game has slowly regressed the last couple of seasons imo. I think it'd be best to him while he still has good value.

Manu, Ime and Ian for Rudy, Sergio, Batum, Shavlik and Joel.

I guess ducks is not the only one that thinks so

he has regressed
he has to be limitted with less minutes during the regular season
and spurs have to make sure they play not every other day when facing the lakers to make sure he is MENTALLY there
he admitted last year he was not when spurs played lakers in game one

[ducks]

Finished?

How does 15/4/4 and 46% from the field = finished? That's about his career numbers. He's also averaging less turnovers and fouls than he did last year.

He's not shooting well from 3 right now, but he's not finished.

He's had games of 27, 21 and 26 in the last 10 days or so. Do you only watch the games when he plays poorly?

I watch all spur games I can
which is most of them

[ducks]

If people are thinking Manu is finished just by watching today's game then they really aren't giving nearly enough credit to how well Kobe guarded Manu. Normally I wouldn't mind Kobe guarding Manu if he ends up wearing himself out, but the Lakers supporting cast didn't need any late game Kobe heroics today.

well manu better figure it out because spurs most likely will face the lakers in the playoffs

[Kori Ellis]

I watch all spur games I can
which is most of them

So how does a "finished" player score 20+ points in 3 games in the last 10 days or so?

[rascal]

Manu is not finished. He is a top player a just below all star level type of player. Manu is way over rated on this board and very inconsistent.

[ducks]

So how does a "finished" player score 20+ points in 3 games in the last 10 days or so?

he played better last time he played lakers but they adjusted he did not
WHY?

how does a "great player" make such bonehead plays the last 2 games
his injury can not be used as an excuse because he has scored over 20 points in 3 games the last 10 days or so

[ducks]

the manu spurs say in the playoffs before spur fans will never see
that is why he is finished to me
to be what manu was he needs to attack and he is slower then he was
that is why manu is trying to shot more outside shots
his three point shot is why off
he has no legs
he is tired already

[himat]

No way should Spurs do Manu for Diaw straight up. Maybe Manu for Diaw and Bell.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

Manu sucks? This is news to me.

[ducks]

diaw a first round pick and bell
for manu

[ducks]

Manu sucks? This is news to me.

did you watch the game
you have to admit he sucked the last 2 games

[ElNono]

Tony only played half a game against New Jersey. He's probably tired. He also twisted his ankle again early in the season. Plus he didn't drive to the basket enough today and got his shot blocked by Bynum. And he averages more turnovers than Ginobili! He's finished. We should trade him now that his value is still high. It's obvious he's never going to be in NBA Finals MVP level again.

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[himat]

diaw a first round pick and bell
for manu

That wouldn't work because of the contracts. You would have to do something like:

Manu, Vaughn, and Udoka for Bell, Diaw, and a 1st rounder.

I would do that, but I don't think Charlotte would give up their 1st round pick.

[ElNono]

I think it's entirely mental more than physical. It's funny that when he hits his first few shots, his defense improves and he starts driving to the basket more too. Look at both the first Lakers and Indiana games. But it's like if he misses then everything derails.
Whatever it is, he needs to get over it. I hope some big games on the road will help him.

[ducks]

hopefully it is mental but not sure
spurs hit the first threes then went cold

[Capt Bringdown]

It's becoming pretty clear that Manu's best days are behind him. If our le hopes depend on the return of super Manu, then you might as well concede defeat going forward.
A miracle turnaround ain't going to happen, he's had a great career here, but it's time to make the best of what we have left of the Duncan era and look to the future.

But he won't be traded, I think he's Pop's favorite player, just as he is for a lot of fans here. Even when Manu screws up, or can't play consistantly, he gets a free pass because he's such an uber-compe or or some such bollocks.

[ducks]

Tony only played half a game against New Jersey. He's probably tired. He also twisted his ankle again early in the season. Plus he didn't drive to the basket enough today and got his shot blocked by Bynum. And he averages more turnovers than Ginobili! He's finished. We should trade him now that his value is still high. It's obvious he's never going to be in NBA Finals MVP level again.

[/sarcasm]

drove today passed the ball and the three point shooters missed
did you not watch the game

not his greatest game but he was not the reason they lost

[ElNono]

I don't think he gets a pass. Most of us will tell you he's not playing well. But if fricking Finley gets to stay when he's on a slump, you can bet your ass Ginobili will get the benefit of the doubt.