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    俺はまんこが大好きなんだよ baseline bum's Avatar
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    Like I said, you don't have to believe in Jesus or the God of Abraham. But you'd be more scientifically sound (far more in actuality) if you believed something created the Universe. The overwhelming amount of evidence, viewed objectively, points to this.

    Besides, evolution has been disproven by evolutionists seeking evidence for their doctrine, not by Creationists who generally are mentally re ed when its comes to real science - they're too busy trying to deny evolution could happen at any stage than to accept something like it exists, which does. It's just nowhere near evolution or even punctuated equilibrium in principle.
    ! Natural Selection is not about the ing creation of the universe. Natural Selection is not a game of dice. your strawman arguments.

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    ! Natural Selection is not about the ing creation of the universe. Natural Selection is not a game of dice. your strawman arguments.

    How come the Atheist on this site cant seem to post without getting upset or cursing?

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    How come the Atheist on this site cant seem to post without getting upset or cursing?

    Do you have a mother? get ready to be told to her.

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    Evolution is occuring today. Currently, genetic mutations in humans are occuring at a faster pace than has ever been observed in history.

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    "irreducible complexity" actually doesn't hold up.

    Bacterial flagellum? Reducibly complex.

    Mitochondria? Reducibly complex.
    Mitochondria are only reducibly complex when you use the circular argument of evolution as your basis - that Mitochondria "evolved" (long story short) into being an indispensable part of the cell's processes, since they were supposedly single celled organisms themselves that were assimilated into the cell processes. This is simply an observation because mitchondria are the most distinct part of the cell, with its own mini-nucleus. There's no proof that they were ever separate from the cell.

    The problem with pointing to bacteria and saying that mutation can't happen, is that we have decoded the DNA and can see exactly where mutations have changed these things.
    You bring up DNA, which is evolution's Pandora's Box. There is no answer for the rise and development of DNA's systemic properties nor cataloguing consistencies. Sure you can see where a mutation may have occurred, but where did the original strands of DNA come from? *cue circular argument based IN evolution to prove it

    Science is finding a hypothesis that best fits the available evidence, and evolutionary theory does just that.
    Evolution is a theory for a reason: it cannot be proven to exist without subjective reasoning, cannot be studied by the scientific method, in actuality is more philosophical in nature than scientific. Science has pushed evolution onto the evidence, not the opposite.

    Creationism, in all its forms, doesn't.
    I beg to differ, as intelligent design in its purest form is scientifically sound. The people trying to make adam and eve etc work with science, they're always going to be in the realm of philosophy.

    Since you say that evolutionary theory is a big circular argument, that is something new.

    Can you outline to me how it is circular?
    Geostratographical column, first and foremost - Evolution's Big Madeup Story Since 1859 is the basis of all paleontology.
    Transitional forms - none found, yet evolutionists will pin 'transitional form' on anything they can't immediately identify. The ones they get away with because the scientific community turns a blind eye are never in correct geostratographical position.
    Carbon Dating is so hit or miss (by hundreds and sometimes thousands of millions of years), they simply select the date which most coincides with the dating object's geostratographical column placement rather than accept carbon dating is too inaccurate to place accurately. There's a well known example of the remains of a cowboy (including clothing and other evidence) being found and carbon dated to being nearly 1.7 billion years old.
    There's 15 reasons I read not that long ago and will find again, each with evolutionist cited sources, why the Earth cannot be anywhere near 4.3 billion years old (im not a young earth advocate, but the whole billions of years thing is bull ).

    Just a few things.

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    Evolution is occuring today. Currently, genetic mutations in humans are occuring at a faster pace than has ever been observed in history.
    Your half right. It's "de-evolution", and it is happening today. It is in fact the opposite of evolution, and is the only proven form of true "evolution." People - and things - are getting less and less able to survive in their environment, which is the true nature of Nature.

    This is separate from Adaptation, which does not use genetic mutation and is the closest thing you'll get to true evolution of the species.

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    I can see that somebody hasn't heard of radiometric dating.

    Radiometric dating involves the use of isotope series, such as rubidium/strontium, thorium/lead, potassium/argon, argon/argon, or uranium/lead, all of which have very long half-lives, ranging from 0.7 to 48.6 billion years. Subtle differences in the relative proportions of the two isotopes can give good dates for rocks of any age.

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    Your half right. It's "de-evolution", and it is happening today. It is in fact the opposite of evolution, and is the only proven form of true "evolution." People - and things - are getting less and less able to survive in their environment, which is the true nature of Nature.
    I don't doubt that for one second

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    I'm still evolving as we speak.

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    I can see that somebody hasn't heard of radiometric dating.

    Radiometric dating involves the use of isotope series, such as rubidium/strontium, thorium/lead, potassium/argon, argon/argon, or uranium/lead, all of which have very long half-lives, ranging from 0.7 to 48.6 billion years. Subtle differences in the relative proportions of the two isotopes can give good dates for rocks of any age.

    If radiometric dating methods are unable to produce the correct date in cases where the actual date of eruption is known, why should we believe that these same methods can produce accurate dates when the date of eruption is unknown?

    Links to show Radiometric dating has many flaws.

    http://www.answersingenesis.org/crea.../i3/canyon.asp

    http://creationwiki.org/KBS_Tuff_sho...ometric_dating



    http://www.google.com/search?client=...=Google+Search

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    How come the Atheist on this site cant seem to post without getting upset or cursing?
    Because you idiots have no idea what evolution means when you paint it as creation.

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    Sorry Mouse, but those sites don't disprove squat.

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    Because you idiots have no idea what evolution means when you paint it as creation.
    If people weren't so blinded by their inherent inhibition for their God or their Science, they'd see God and evolution is actually easily linked AND made purposeful. The two separated are nowhere near what they could do together, but Man will never allow his mind to open that far.

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    Radiometric shows stalac es to be millions of years old when in fact they were taken out of a London tunnel, disused since its days as an air-raid shelter, 1941-45

    you do the math.


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    If people weren't so blinded by their inherent inhibition for their God or their Science, they'd see God and evolution is actually easily linked AND made purposeful. The two separated are nowhere near what they could do together, but Man will never allow his mind to open that far.
    Acting like evolution is a a theory of creation is making a massive strawman.

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    Radiometric and carbon dating are tools used by men to prove how old something is, and how it takes millions of years for something the become petrified, and yet they can't explain how a cowboy boot manufactured around 1950 and found in a creek bed about 1980 near Iraan, Texas, contains a "fossilized" or "petrified" human leg inside, demonstrating that fossils do not take millions of years to form.

    I would like TLongII to explain away the limestone cowboy!



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    Acting like evolution is a a theory of creation is making a massive strawman.
    Try me.

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    Evolution is not about creation of life; it's solely about natural selection taking over once life has appeared.

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    Snopes it dude.

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    Evolution is not about creation of life; it's solely about natural selection taking over once life has appeared.
    Without evolution, original life is useless as it cannot evolve.

    Who mentioned evolution being a theory of creation? I think the point you're trying to make is that creationism and evolution are incompatible, and that is where you are wrong.

    Evolution and Natural Selection are not mutually exclusive, by the way.
    Last edited by z0sa; 02-17-2009 at 04:48 PM.

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    Darwin is by far the greatest scientist of the 19th century. Nobody else's theories from that century gets 1/10 of the attention that evolution does.
    You must worship the man.
    Sure. My Darwin idol is right besides Galileo, Newton, and Einstein.

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    Sure. My Darwin idol is right besides Galileo, Newton, and Einstein.
    No love for Bohr?

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    Sure. My Darwin idol is right besides Galileo, Newton, and Einstein.

    I wonder where all those men will be when your facing judgment day.

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    I wonder where all those men will be when your facing judgment day.
    Do you really have to wonder why people give you for the ridiculous things you post? So spurster accepting evolution like the rest of the educated world means he'll get punished on judgement day?

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