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dan, your own ing pictures proved there was no hail of 300-400 bullets hitting her car... she is a lying communist... nothing she says is credible..
Yahoo NewsIn his first major address since Friday's shooting strained relations between Washington and one of its biggest allies, told Italy's Senate that the car carrying agent Nicola Calipari and hostage Giuliana Sgrena stopped immediately when a light was flashed. The U.S. military has said the Americans used hand and arm signals, flashing white lights, and firing warning shots to try to get the car to stop.
Friendly fire is "painful" to accept, Berlusconi said. But he reassured lawmakers that the United States is committed to determining the truth about the shooting.
"I'm sure that in a very short time every aspect of this will be clarified," he said.
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"The case of friendly fire is certainly the most painful to bear. It feels like an injustice beyond any sentiment. It's something unreasonable," Berlusconi said.
Agent Nicola Calipari is said to have been on his cell phone talking with Prime Minister Berlusconi in Rome at the time of the attack. That establishes that he had a working cell phone at the time. I think it is fair to say that Calipari made other calls on his cell phone on the ride to the airport and in the days prior to the event. He probably checked with the pilots of the Italian jet to make sure the airplane was ready for a hasty departure from Baghdad.
US military aircraft, such as the Army RC-12, have the capability to intercept and DF (locate) cell phone calls. The USAF and Navy have aircraft capable of similar COMINT, SIGINT, and ELINT (communication, signal, and electronic intelligence). These aircraft are "up" 24/7.
Calipari and hostage Giuliana Sgrena were certainly persons-of-interest to the US government and the US military. I think that it is highly likely that Calipari was being watched "electronically," if not physically too. Perhaps the check-point did not get the word. Fog of war. Perhaps they did. Perhaps it was not really a check-point. It is pretty much an academic argument because, given the well-honed secrecy of the Bu$h regime, we will probably never know.
dan, your own ing pictures proved there was no hail of 300-400 bullets hitting her car... she is a lying communist... nothing she says is credible..
This is old school but I feel a point needs to be made. So Dan You figure it out.
At McConnell AFB in Wichita Kansas in the 60's General Lemay drove trough the gate in his staff car, without stopping. The AP fired several shots at the car.
Later the AP was given an article 15/Court Martial.
AP =AirPoliceman
WHY?
He failed to stop the car-i.e. piss poor shot.
AS Joe says
WAR= happens.
BTW If you were every in Rome/Italy you would know that the I Ties
don't stop. They simply blow their HORN
I can not believe the lengths or depths to which you will go Dan. Suggesting the US purposely tried to kill this reporter is going way past borderline insanity. You may masquerade as someone concerned about our country and or government. You may pretend and dress yourself in the robes of liberalism, justice, or peace, but most can see through such hollowness. You are not someone who cares for our country, the people in Iraq, or anyone who has a different view of the world than your own. I suppose it is your right to be blinded by your hate, to try and push whatever dark agendas you secretly harbor here on this forum, but you muddy the water for those that actually believe in some of the same values you trumpet here every day. You drown out the sensible argument, with the roar of the ridiculous and fruadulent.
The point is Dan, few can hear what you're saying when you're saying it so loudly. You are the guy in the $500 '83 Honda Civic, with the $3,500.00 stereo turned up so loud, that even he(you) can not hear the music.
DAN .................................................. ........................................
well said, user... and hookdem too! haha
Blah, blah, blah, if don't like my style then go form your own political forum. It's a style that has worked for me for years, it's also well researched and factual.The point is Dan, few can hear what you're saying when you're saying it so loudly. You are the guy in the $500 '83 Honda Civic, with the $3,500.00 stereo turned up so loud, that even he(you) can not hear the music.
Turns out the soldiers involved in the Sgrena shooting weren't a check-point after all, but part of added security for John Negroponte who was expected in the area...
moreYahoo NewsBAGHDAD, Iraq - U.S. troops who mistakenly killed an Italian intelligence agent last week on the road to Baghdad's international airport were part of extra security provided by the U.S. Army to protect U.S. Ambassador John Negroponte, a U.S. official said Thursday.
Italian intelligence agent Nicola Calipari was killed Friday when U.S. troops opened fire on a car carrying him and Italian journalist Giuliana Sgrena, who had just been freed from insurgents.
"The mobile patrol was there to enhance security because Ambassador Negroponte was expected through," U.S. Embassy spokesman Robert Callahan said, confirming reports in Italian media. The newspaper La Repubblica reported Wednesday that the checkpoint had been "set up to protect the passage of Ambassador Negroponte."
It was not known if Negroponte, who was nominated last month by President Bush (news - web sites) to be the new director of national intelligence, had already passed through the checkpoint.
The article reports the shooting occurred 2 hours before the 11PM Baghdad curfew on civilian vehicles. That seems to contradict some posts last weekend blaming the Italians for violating the curfew. Its going to be interesting to see how the sharply divergent accounts are going to be resolved. Berlusconi's government is having to play pretty hard because of public outrage. The Italians seem adamant that their agents behaved properly and professionally. I wonder if they have tapes of the cell phone conversations that may have been taking place at the time of the incident? Will Bush let Berlusconi save face? Or will he care?
Last edited by Nbadan; 03-10-2005 at 11:55 AM.
Your style is not well researched or factual. Your arguments can easily be proven wrong or misleading most of the time by simply posting the rest of the body of the article from which you hack out your "facts". If that doesn't work then you can always be relied upon to contradict yourself either a few posts later, or in another thread. I could replace your TV screen with a mirror and you STILL wouldn't like what the guy on TV had to say.
By the way, I didn't know this is your political forum.
Gee, driving through war torn Iraq, dodging US forces, insurgents, puddles, and talking on a cell phone? This proves cell phones are not safe to use while driving.
everything i have read has the incident occuring at 9pm.. regardless, the were warned to stop and didn't... they were taken out...
also, how can you just ignore the bs accounts of sgrenas story? 300-400 bullets and the picture you posted didn't even show one bullet hole???
jihad propaganda sites aren't well researched...neither are communist ones...
Then prove me wrong and don't expect people to take your word for it. My biggest beef about you right-wing hecklers is that you attack my sources, and attack me personally, but you don't take the time to prove what I am saying is wrong - ever. That gets tired after a while.
It's like the whole draft threads relived, I kept saying that the Army and Marines were short-handed, you said they were just projections, turns out I was right again, and you were wrong again. Surprised? I'm not. This seems to be a pattern.
there still hasn't been a draft!!! you are still wrong....
Look, the woman had been kidnapped and held for days deprived of food, water and sleep, I'm sure from her prespective it was a of a lot of shots, probably not the 300-400 she initially claimed, for all we know this could have been a translation error.also, how can you just ignore the bs accounts of sgrenas story? 300-400 bullets and the picture you posted didn't even show one bullet hole???
We shall see soon enough.there still hasn't been a draft!!! you are still wrong....
also, why do you continue to ignore the fact the car didn't have any bullet holes?
no, she said they captors were very nice to her... and you don't get an error in translation on numbers usually... context yes, but numbers no...
her own words.The condition of life was not bad from the material point of view
The windshield seems to contain quiet a few bullet-holes, but none of this changes the cir stances that led to the shooting.
that they were going so fast that they almost lost control of the vehicle? yeah, it doesn't change that fact... and the fact that she said, the car had been destroyed...
Are you insinuating that she 'enjoyed' her time in captivity. That's deranged.The condition of life was not bad from the material point of view
those are her own words...
Given that the U.S. army has bradley fight vehicles and multi-ton Abram tanks traveling consistently down that road, along with the threat of UIDs, it's surprising the car was moving at the 30 MPH as the Italians claim. None-the-less, the Italian agent was well versed in the procedures involved when coming up to a U.S. check-point. Plus, the Americans control the airport that Sgrena was being driven too. The Army had to have known that her release was scheduled for that evening.that they were going so fast that they almost lost control of the vehicle? yeah, it doesn't change that fact... and the fact that she said, the car had been destroyed...
Here's the problem Dan, in your head, you're right. In the real world, you don't know what you're talking about. You have NEVER proven me wrong in anything that I have said.
The statements I made about the recruiting were mostly QUOTES from the articles you, yourself posted. I never said that they weren't short or denied any of the figures. I simply said you were exaggerating what was being talked about and how much of a problem it was for the military. I supported my stance by posting the entire article you butchered and how given it's context was not the end of the world. I also posted that the military was trying to consolidate it's divisions, this being the reason for there being less of them. Then I pulled striaight from the story you posted that the military was infact expanding, and in doing so, has raised it's recruitment goals. So taking that into account, not being able to meet higher goals is not the worst thing in the world.
Taking things out of context seems to be your specialty, or style as you seem to call it. I don't have to go far with the draft issue here. How many times have you said there will be a draft coming soon? Pick date already and stick with it. There are people standing on street corners all over the place with signs that read, "The End is Near!". Eventually they'll be right, but right now you have the same amount of credibility as they do.
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