McDonald: Spurs Had Close Call With Camby

[ducks]

hill was ok to trade
mason hard to with manu hurt

[raspsa]

I think it would have been a great deal for the Spurs. Camby would instantly boost the rebounding and interior defense. Sure you give up Hill but with Mason and manu and vaugh backing up parker, Spurs can still manage. All moot now anyway.

[Shastafarian]

I think this deal sucks balls compared to the possible VC deal. That being said, I easily do this one too.

Giving up one less piece (and a valuable one in Mason) for one of the better low post defenders/big men is a WORSE deal than giving up the same guys + one of our best shooter for a 32 year old swingman who has never reached the conference finals? Genius.

[NuGGeTs-FaN]

phew

[ducks]

I just knew the Spurs had some sort of CIA deal they were working on behind the scenes. Camby would've been an absolutely perfect fit. I would've had to think long and hard about giving up a talented backup PG like Hill. The Spurs haven't had a suitable backup PG in five years - since Speedy Claxton. This means they're not as easy to come by as most seem to think. In the meantime, they've made some horrific choices trying to find a successor.

Most of those who want to sacrifice Hill seem to forget how well he performed when TP was out injured. Personally, the team can't keep burning up 1st round picks and expect to have some solid bench depth.

speedy was not that great of a point guard
he played well a couple games could not make jumpshots
never made a three

[crc21209]

I think the Spurs brass, R.C., Pop must think that this team can get it done and if we were one round away from the Finals with jackasses like Vaughn, Udoka, and Horry as backups last yr, then we sure as can make it there with Bonner, Mason, and Hill this time around.

[K-State Spur]

10 ing boards and 2 blocks a night that's why the Spurs were ready to deal the boy wonder. This Hill love is eerily reminscient of Beno love circa 2004.

overvalued? maybe.

but the beno love in 2004 made sense if he had built upon a solid rookie season.

unfortunately, his proven inability to bring the ball up the court in the most crucial of moments and an overall regression in his game until he started playing meaningless games in Sacramento doomed his future here.

[coyotes_geek]

Yes, but you also have to consider that we might very well be able to get Rasheed Wallace in the offseason for less than we'd have to pay Camby, all without losing our promising rookie point guard. You never know, Hill might develop into a guy we could use at backup point and backup SG.

I wish we could have added Camby, but the Clippers should have dumped him to rid themselves of his salary. Otherwise, they're paying him in excess of $10 million a year while their team goes nowhere. I don't want to give them more than they deserve just because they're too dumb or greedy to understand their situation.

I think we also have to consider that our odds of getting past the lakers go up immensely with Camby as opposed to Hill. I'm not saying the Spurs could just walk down to the street corner and find someone to come in and do what Hill does, but when you consider what Camby would bring it's a no brainer. Defense, rebounding and most importantly of all, a reduced workload on Tim Duncan.

And no, the Clippers should not have just given Camby away. That would be stupid. They're not in luxury tax trouble, and Camby has value as an asset. No, they're not going anywhere, but they do need to try to become better.

[Shastafarian]

I think we also have to consider that our odds of getting past the lakers go up immensely with Camby as opposed to Hill. I'm not saying the Spurs could just walk down to the street corner and find someone to come in and do what Hill does, but when you consider what Camby would bring it's a no brainer. Defense, rebounding and most importantly of all, a reduced workload on Tim Duncan.

And no, the Clippers should not have just given Camby away. That would be stupid. They're not in luxury tax trouble, and Camby has value as an asset. No, they're not going anywhere, but they do need to try to become better.

I'm wondering if they had dealt Davis, if they would have done the trade. Unless they think Eric Gordon can run the point.

[SenorSpur]

speedy was not that great of a point guard
he played well a couple games could not make jumpshots
never made a three

You just emphasized my point. Speedy may not have been a world-beater, but he was STILL the best backup PG we had in 5 seasons. Right there, that tells you how weak the laundry list of choices the Spurs ran through town during that time. Then you'll know why it aint easy to part with a talented, athletic PG, who can play both ends of the court. Unless, of course, you're happy with 18 mins of Vaughn from here on out.

[ducks]

I am more happy with another backup point
then oberta

[Holt's Cat]

You just emphasized my point. Speedy may not have been a world-beater, but he was STILL the best backup PG we had in 5 seasons. Right there, that tells you how weak the laundry list of choices the Spurs ran through town during that time. Then you'll know why it aint easy to part with a talented, athletic PG, who can play both ends of the court. Unless, of course, you're happy with 18 mins of Vaughn from here on out.

I'm not happy being without 30 minutes of 10+ boards and 2 blocks lining up next to TD a night. The Spurs need that. A better backup point than Vaughn or whoever is nice to have. The Spurs haven't lost championships because of their backup point. Now because of lack of rebounding, interior defense, and shotblocking? You bet.

[ducks]

oh and if duncan gets help
late in the game duncan would be fresher to make more shots late in games

[coyotes_geek]

I'm wondering if they had dealt Davis, if they would have done the trade. Unless they think Eric Gordon can run the point.

Hard to say. Given Davis' injury history I think they could have used Hill had they traded Baron or not.

[ducks]

mason helps keep manu fresher also

[Thompson]

I think we also have to consider that our odds of getting past the lakers go up immensely with Camby as opposed to Hill. I'm not saying the Spurs could just walk down to the street corner and find someone to come in and do what Hill does, but when you consider what Camby would bring it's a no brainer. Defense, rebounding and most importantly of all, a reduced workload on Tim Duncan.

And no, the Clippers should not have just given Camby away. That would be stupid. They're not in luxury tax trouble, and Camby has value as an asset. No, they're not going anywhere, but they do need to try to become better.

I see where you're coming from, and you're probably right about this year vs. the Lakers, assuming Manu comes back 100%. I think I'd rather put it off until next year though, when we could conceivably have a juggernaut with a cheaper Wallace along with a future piece (and sop re backup point and sg) in Hill.

Also, the Clippers' owner is notoriously cheap, and was trying to give away Baron Davis and Kaman for Kidd to dump salary (according to a rumor, anyway). I don't see giving Camby's salary away as much different; you're paying big money to a player you know will never be with you to win anything. If they won't dump him for nothing this year, they'll think about it a little more about it after having nothing to show for paying him this year.

[bigfan]

Cant believe we even considered giving up Hill. I really like Camby but no way would I trade Hill for him.

[coyotes_geek]

I'm not happy being without 30 minutes of 10+ boards and 2 blocks lining up next to TD a night. The Spurs need that. A better backup point than Vaughn or whoever is nice to have. The Spurs haven't lost championships because of their backup point. Now because of lack of rebounding, interior defense, and shotblocking? You bet.

Agreed. And the Spurs would still have had ways to protect themselves against excessive Vaughn suckage. Mason and Manu can take some minutes there, plus there's the d-league route. It's a of a lot easier to go to the d-league and find a pg who can step in and give you 5-10 minutes a night than a C.

[ducks]

Cant believe we even considered giving up Hill. I really like Camby but no way would I trade Hill for him.

what about hill for dwight howard?

[Holt's Cat]

Cant believe we even considered giving up Hill. I really like Camby but no way would I trade Hill for him.

Huh? The Spurs are 18th in the league in opponents' FG%.

[Holt's Cat]

what about hill for dwight howard?

Still too much, no doubt.

[ducks]

Huh? The Spurs are 18th in the league in opponents' FG%.

yeah and it is all tp's fault
finely and booner play no d

[coyotes_geek]

Still too much, no doubt.

Maybe a 3 team trade where we get Howard and Chris Paul. It would be tough, but I think I'd pull the trigger.

[Austin_Toros]

i would have hated to see Hill be traded away if he then became a starter and averaged something like 15ppg next season.
but for Camby....

[Holt's Cat]

Could I live with Hill scoring whatever a night for some scrub team while the Spurs add a piece that helps bring hope another championship or more? Um, yeah.