I'm sorry, was there some kind of forced draft that I missed that put Barry on this team over the screaming protests of Pop? He wanted this guy badly. Barry is a proven NBA player Pop shares SOME of the responsibility for making him an asset to this team. Amen.
Exactly.
I don't know if others don't see what I see but Barry just doesn't work as another plug-in guard in the Spurs system who is supposed to either spot up for 3, drive to the basket or drive and kick. That's just not his game.
Yes, Barry can hit the 3 but he seems to hit it much better in transition or on the move after shaking a defender, not just spotting up. He's a shooter but he has his nuances. He should be deadly with a midrange J but we never use it. Let's face it, Barry can no longer reliably create his own shot so why do we hang him out to dry in our offense so much? How many times did he try and shake a defender last night to no avail and end up forcing a shot or passing the ball up? He could be our poor man's Ray Allen but we don't use him that way.
Barry seems tailor made for the pick-and-pop, pick-and-roll or any kind of 2 man game with a big man where he could shake free but Pop doesn't run these kinds of plays for him. Remember how smooth he looked running a pick and roll with Tim early in the season? Where has that gone? , even Bowen gets screens now and hits the midrange J, why not Barry?
Yes, some of the blame has to fall on Barry but Pop should also realize he's not just another cog in the guard rotation like Bowen or Brown that fit well in Pop's system with little retooling. His strengths need to be identified and maximized. He doesn't have the talent or the moxy to stand up to Pop and demand his game be set free like Manu. He came here to be a role player, not to be thrown to the wolves in an unbending system that doesn't even try to cater to his strengths.
I'm fine with blaming Pop for bringing him in thinking he could just be plugged in as a spot shooter, but I don't think we should change our offensive scheme to accomodate him just because he doesn't fit the role we were hoping for him...
Pop deserves blame for not figuring out that Barry wasn't going to work out before we could have traded him. But the bulk of the blame has to lie with Barry. He just hasn't performed.
P.S. - When did TPark become such a miserable bas ?
Just read this one.
Well, there's not much defense for the fact that Brent's only 50 percentage points below his average for FG% and 3-Pt. FG%.
What is it with all this, "can't handle pressure" thing about Barry. Look, the guy isn't performing, now if you think after 10 years the guy just sucks because he is on a "championship contender" and he "can't handle the pressure of it" your ing ridiculous. The game is still the same. The baskets are still the same. But you konw whats NOT!!! The system! He's not fitting into the system, or hasn't adjusted or Pop and him haven't adjusted together. But your guys heads are way to big regarding the Spurs. Its not like he's playing with Magic, Kareem, Worthy, and he is supposed to be the Jerry West that puts them into the realm of the NBA's greatest team ever. The guy is just not playing well and stop it at that...damn!
When people started blaming Rasho and Pop for every in thing.P.S. - When did TPark become such a miserable bas ?
I don't agree with that. If Pop would have done that with Manu, we would be still playing 4 ing down every freaking possesion. You have to make the system work for your players, not the other way round. If the Suns played Pop's ball they would be fighting with the Bobcats for the worst NBA record, but their system has adjusted to their players style and it obviously works.
I say draw some plays for Barry, make him feel useful and comfortable and he will start knocking down those 3's.
Considering the difference in minutes played, there's not a whole lot of difference in percentages for fg, 3pt and ft between Barry and SJax--less than one percentage point I think.
I don't know about others, but it's not Brent Barry's OVERALL percentages that I'm complaining about. He had a stellar January (ala Hedo) shooting above 50% on 3's which is bringing up his overall percentages. So please stop comparing his percentages to SJax and saying "see, he isn't shooting poorly."
What I don't like is:
1. His hesitancy to shoot.
2. Over the past few weeks Pop has played him in longer stretches to get him in the rhythm, and he has responded by shooting sub-30% from 3.
3. His highly-touted "high basketball IQ" and "intangibles" have diminished.
4. He goes through long stretches where he gives up defensively.
All observed and true, Kori.
I'm also concerned that Barry has never really shot as well the Clippers, Heat, Bulls or Spurs as he has with the Sonics. What were the Sonics doing in their systems that maximized Brent's shooting form?
Never giving the ball to a big man. Ever.What were the Sonics doing in their systems that maximized Brent's shooting form?
Stephen Jackson by month:
November - 393%
December - 333%
January - 245%%
Febuary - 259%
March - 311%
April - 250%
Brent Barry by month:
November - 338%
December - 211%
January - 509%
Febuary - 370%
He's shooting more threes per game than Stephen Jackson did that season. Stephen Jackson was also getting other easy shots in games. Over half of Barry's shots are 3 point attempts. His percentages are much more impressive than Stephen Jackson.1. What I don't like is:
His hesitancy to shoot.
He hasn't shot under 30% from 3 as many times as Stephen Jackson did.2. Over the past few weeks Pop has played him in longer stretches to get him in the rhythm, and he has responded by shooting sub-30% from 3.
You didn't notice all the easy baskets he got Devin Brown in the New Jersey game that got Devin Brown off to a hot start?3. His highly-touted "high basketball IQ" and "intangibles" have diminished.
If you want a defender instead of a shooter as your shooter just be prepared for ugly things to happen in the playoffs.4. He goes through long stretches where he gives up defensively.
^ whottt, is that you?
Good call, smeagol. Perhaps it is.
This thread is a joke. Barry puts up some crappy numbers and gets ripped. Rose puts up some crappy numbers and it's not his fault. And everyone is going to say that it is because Rose is a team player. Barry turned down a crapload of money to come play here. Do you think he is proud that he is shooting horribly? Do you think he plans on just riding the coat tales to a championship? No way. Has anyone heard him complaining about PT? He knows his role(by the way, his role is not a defender!), he knows what he needs to do. He will get it done. How many people called for Horry's head. Now he brings energy and a decent game. Stop the in and let him play. All that said, I too am a little disappointed with his play, but still think it is great for him to be here.
True. I guess it's sort of like how many times does your kid drop the eggs in the HEB parking lot before you decide to let someone else carry the eggs.
I'm not whottt, I don't even know who that is. I've been a member of Spurs Report and just found out about this website.
You want a shooter who can play in the Spurs' team D. Jack did. Kerr did. Manu, Bruce and Devin can, and they are currently shooting better from the arc. Don't tell me it's not possible.If you want a defender instead of a shooter as your shooter just be prepared for ugly things to happen in the playoffs.
Stephen Jackson used to get in trouble for defensive lapses and sloppy play. What kept Stephen Jackson on on the court was that the Spurs only had Steve Smith behind him and Manu was a rookie battling injuries and having to adjust his style of play. Stephen Jackson also had the worst two years of his career from 3 the two years he played with the Spurs.
Steve Kerr barely played here until his final season with the Spurs. He shot 39% from the field and 31% from 3 his first season with the Spurs.
It might be possible to play D and shoot, but there is plenty of history to show that some shooters have struggled in their first years with the Spurs. Steve Kerr being the most notable example. As a shooter Barry isn't shooting as badly as Steve Kerr or Stephen Jackson when they first joined the team.
Yep, I'll agree this year we have choices.
Currently better ones than Barry.
You didn't dispute that these guys could play Spurs' D. Why can't Barry?
I am not disputing anything except that Brent Barry isn't shooting as badly as Stephen Jackson, Devin Brown, and Steve Kerr shot in some of their early years on the team. Stephen Jackson sat on the bench for an entire season. Devin was a limited reserve his first full season. Neither of those players came in and made signifigant contributions their first year with the team. Neither did Steve Kerr. Hedo made signifigant contributions his first year, but only after he was moved into the starting lineup. Before that move he was playing worse than Barry.
Is that what you expected from Barry?I am not disputing anything except that Brent Barry isn't shooting as badly as Stephen Jackson, Devin Brown, and Steve Kerr shot in some of their early years on the team.Though I think many posters would agree with benching Barry at this point, but again we're dealing with expectations here and none of these guys were making the dosh Brent is now.Stephen Jackson sat on the bench for an entire season. Devin was a limited reserve his first full season. Neither of those players came in and made signifigant contributions their first year with the team. Neither did Steve Kerr.Again the choices were very limited that year; there is no need for a welfare plan like we used with Hedo. It's faily obvious that the past few games have been an audition for first swingman off the bench for the rest of the season and playoffs -- Brent or Devin. Who do you think is winning?Hedo made signifigant contributions his first year, but only after he was moved into the starting lineup. Before that move he was playing worse than Barry.
Stephen Jackson isn't a shooter hes a scorer, big difference. Much like Manu.
Give me a scorer over a shooter anyday.
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