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What a suprise, butt hurt when proven wrong.
What a surprise. Another over exaggerating reference.
What a suprise, butt hurt when proven wrong.
Is it the playoffs yet?
Your point?
Barry's ball handling is slightly better than Manu's. On the other hand, Barry can't create open shots for other players nearly as well as Manu can. And a point guard is supposed to be able do just that.
And Manu's ball handling is far superior to Mason's.
Mason struggles to handle the ball when he is leading a fast break. It's that simple. That reveals that he is not a solid ball handler.
Manu does not struggle to handle the ball leading a fast break.
And Manu's turnovers have greatly reduced over the years.
So, it does seem to be an exaggeration.
Barry's ball handling skill > Manu's ball handling skills by a little.
Barry's ball security skills >> Manu's ball security skills
Manu's ability to set up teammates for shots >>>>>>>>>>> Barry's ability to do the same.
Manu's ball handling skills >>>> Mason's ball handling skills by a wide margin
Since Mason struggles to handle the ball on fast breaks, his ball security as point guard would not be good.
It will be interesting to see who Pop will go with when the Lakers are packing it in the paint in the WCF.
I said Manu or Mason will be our backup point in a tight series come May and June.
Everything else said here by me or you is irrelevant til then. We have different opinions. Right now we can get away with having a 12 man rotation and develop Hill, Hairston and our youngsters. But when it comes to a tight series the rotation will be cut to an 8 man rotation maybe 9. Those 9 players will be our best and most efficient players and it won't include Hill.
Last edited by MaNu4Tres; 03-03-2009 at 12:14 AM.
Pop will go with Manu or Mason at back up point. That's just my opinion.
Barry's ball security skills looked better because of the fact that Barry took less chances and didn't create as much as Manu.
Against the best 3 point shooting team in the league, that might be a mistake.
It won't be Bowen if Pop is thinking about offense.
And if Mason were to try to be pg, they would pressure full court and force turnovers.
Mason may be in there, but not as pg.
And Manu has the 3 pt shooting ability, can handle the ball, and is an incredible playmaker.
At the end of the game, on offensive possessions, it won't be Hill or Bowen.
At the end of the game, on a defensive possession, against the Lakers it would have to be Bowen to guard Kobe.
I totally agree.
And if you are really thinking about this, you should compare the ratio:
turnovers to open shots created.
And I think that Manu would come out far, far ahead in this regard.
Point guard is supposed to create open shots. Barry does not do this efficiently. Manu can create an open shot for a teammate anytime he wants.
That's why I love Manu's game.
He can and does make his teammates better. And his heart. Never underestimate the heart of this champion!
The problem with Hill is that he's way too passive sometimes. When he's on the court, there have been games where he doesn't do much more than Vaughn except defend better.
However, he is still a rookie and much better than expected. He just needs to stay aggressive and attack the rim.
Try not to be surprised if they do use Mason as the backup PG in the playoffs during tight
games, but I also believe that Manu my share that duty as well.
Don't look now, but we're less than 8 weeks away from the playoffs...
Time to kick in that extra gear.
popovich will not use ginobili to run point in the playoffs unless he's desperate. ginobili functions best as a shooting guard and doesn't need the extra worry over running sets and plays. ginobili also turns the ball over a lot on his bad days. mason i think will handle the ball if hill proves unreliable. in the playoffs parker will play 40-42 minutes anyways so that leaves only 6 minutes for mason to not screw things up. mason played point guard while on the wizards so he would be a more logical option over ginobili.
right now though, hill has to be force fed the position of backup point guard.
I don't like Mason's handles or his ability to setup shots for others (drive & kick). Plus, he's not the best finisher at the rim, either.
In short, no the Spurs ARE NOT better off with him as backup PG.
This again is Pop outthinking himself. Leave Hill where he is and don't stunt his development.
Speaking about Mason where is his damn jumper ??? he is struggling for more than 1 month now...
I thought that call did not exist anymore.
then were screwed
Because Hill is a combo guard not necessarily a PG nor a SG... he can play both...So why did you give me so much when I proposed Gortat for Hill?
Every year when it comes down to a decisive game. from 05' til now Pop has used Manu or Barry at back up point.
Last edited by MaNu4Tres; 03-03-2009 at 09:23 AM.
Right after the All- Star break of his Rookie year, when he was playing well, Beno was sat so that Pop could find minutes for Brent and Devin. I always mark that day as the beginning of the end of Beno and the Spurs. I would hate to see the same for Hill.
It's funny, I didn't see this as a knock on Hill as much as a chance to get Mason some time with the ball to create shots. Mason has been off lately and might be mentally sagging. He has said in the past that he likes handling the ball more. That said, he is not a good ball handler and looks as awkward as Matt when he attacks the basket. (Manu and Tony should give attack the basket drill training to those two.)
Hill is young and tough, he seems to accept the role given and will do what Pop asks of him. If he continues to listen and hustle, there is no problem with him. He does not strike me as mentally weak.
The critical point IMO. A rookie that has hit the wall and is still feeling his way in this league. His lack of agressiveness is a concern but this is a learning process and his upside is substantial.
I agree with you on Mason's handle and pg skill set. Sometimes I see him make a great move and finish but more times than not he doesn't. He just eems to get a little out of control and then makes some awkward shot attempts.
The Spurs need to contiinue Hill's development and the POs are a very good teaching device. Not saying that we should ignore situations that demand Manu or even Mason playing b/u pg but Hill needs this experience to help him get to the next level.
And how can you possibly prove that that is true? I bet that every time that Duncan is in the floor with Bonner Tim doesn't get any center minutes in that magical "82 games.com" web-site and yet he's the center of this team everysinlge time he's on the floor.
Everyperson that watched those playoffs knows that Manu played a lot of times as backup point, even more than Barry.
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