This is Gooden's first time playing with a true NBA superstar who makes his team better (Duncan). His presence in the paint alone will do a lot.
No kidding.
You guys make him sound like the ing second coming of Wilt Chamberlain. He's young, inexperienced, and he's not as good as you guys make him out to be. I'm so ing sick of hearing about Bynum like he is the sole determinant of whether the Lakers win the championship or not. Give me a break.
That LuhBronze James ain't too bad, man.
Gotta beat the best to be the best.
F.T.L.
people are getting hung up on how good Gooden is or is not. but that's not the point. the point is how good is he compared to Bonner, Oberto and Thomas! and further, does he add another weapon to Pop's arsenal?
i don't think anyone is saying Gooden is great. but he doesn't have to be. we have the Big 3 already. what we need are good solid role players. and there's absolutely no doubt that Gooden is a better rebounder than Bonner, Oberto and Thomas. there's also no doubt that he's younger and faster than Bonner, Oberto and Thomas. and there's no doubt that he's a better post scorer than Bonner, Oberto and Thomas.
is he an All-Star? no. does his presence guarantee us another ring? no. but anyone who can't see that he has a very high probability of improving the Spurs' front-court is just being dense.
Good post.
people are getting hung up on how good Gooden is or is not. but that's not the point. the point is how good is he compared to Bonner, Oberto and Thomas! and further, does he add another weapon to Pop's arsenal?
i don't think anyone is saying Gooden is great. but he doesn't have to be. we have the Big 3 already. what we need are good solid role players. and there's absolutely no doubt that Gooden is a better rebounder than Bonner, Oberto and Thomas. there's also no doubt that he's younger and faster than Bonner, Oberto and Thomas. and there's no doubt that he's a better post scorer than Bonner, Oberto and Thomas.
is he an All-Star? no. does his presence guarantee us another ring? no. but anyone who can't see that he has a very high probability of improving the Spurs' front-court is just being dense.
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people are getting hung up on how good gooden is or is not. But that's not the point. The point is how good is he compared to bonner, oberto and thomas! And further, does he add another weapon to pop's arsenal?
I don't think anyone is saying gooden is great. But he doesn't have to be. We have the big 3 already. What we need are good solid role players. And there's absolutely no doubt that gooden is a better rebounder than bonner, oberto and thomas. There's also no doubt that he's younger and faster than bonner, oberto and thomas. And there's no doubt that he's a better post scorer than bonner, oberto and thomas.
Is he an all-star? No. Does his presence guarantee us another ring? No. But anyone who can't see that he has a very high probability of improving the spurs' front-court is just being dense.
Gooden will realize his role and go out and help us get another ring.
IMO, if Gooden plays well, this is going to be a great sign. If Gooden does not play well, this will not be a good sign.
Bring on the Gooden-Let's check out the big drizzle. Until Bynum is healthy for a full season and actually plays in the playoffs, I'll reserve my judgment on that big man. Bynum was kicking some ass in the regular games.
But he just started doing resistance training this week. So, he's not even able to do treadmill, etc... Laker fans are all in another tizzy over this. I'd prefer we play the Lakers without him. But if he's there bring it on! I'd like to kick the Laker's ass! The Spurs team can do it as long as Joey Crawford isn't refereeing any Laker or Spur game.
Our main concern now is getting space cadet Gooden healthy and learning our system now!! I hope he is not seriously injured or we will be ed.
I want to hear opinions on that too.
As MB said (I think it was him?) this guy gave up a large amount of money -- millions, no doubt -- to play for and contribute to a championship contender. I hope that point was not lost on everyone; it appears rare that a relatively young player (he's in his 7th season) would take substantially less money in order to better his chances for a ring.
By doing just that, he already said more than most of you are paying attention to. A team wins a championship, not a player. Gooden just, in effect, took a backseat to a team concept. What makes you think that he wouldn't be willing to role-play in the Spurs system, and at least somewhat change his playing patterns to benefit the team? I am guessing Pop made him well aware of how he would be used before Gooden even looked at a contract.
This signing is great, without exception. Sure, a true defensive stopper down low would have been awesome, but an improvement in any area is still an improvement. Would you have traded Bonner, KT, Oberto, maybe even Finley for Gooden? I would, in a heartbeat.
But instead we get to keep all them, AND add another proven talent down low? Sign me up. He will not be the savior for the Spurs, but he could very well be what puts them over the edge. Because if he takes over a game, even a quarter, a la Steve Kerr, Jarron Jackson, to an extent Glenn Robinson and Michael Finley? Of course he'd be worth it. All the Spurs are giving up is a player who wasn't even on the team 10 days previous.
Gotta see how the next four months go first. Depends on how good a fit Gooden is and how much someone is willing to offer him this offseason.
Gooden will hear the voice of God and will seek Him in the mountains. After 30 days, Gooden will return with the Covenant.
enough. Gooden is a good signing because he will come cheap and has playoff experience. how will that translate, only time will tell.
why are we scared of bynum again?
Bynum is a concern because when he's paired with Gasol that gives the lakers two 7-foot scoring threats on the court at the same time and the Spurs can only deal with one of them. While Duncan is guarding one the other is getting great looks from 5 feet away, shooting over the top of Bonner/Thomas/Oberto. Does Gooden help prevent that? Let's hope so.
I invite you to go on lakersground. There is not one thread (at least on page 1) that indicates any "nervousness". Please. Spare me. Gooden is a nice pick-up. That's all. Nice.. Your big 3 on the other hand are formidable, that I don't deny but to think Gooden takes you over the top is outright hilarious.
Manu coming back healthy is another story. But be forwarned Spurs fan:
MANU IS NOW INJURY PRONE.
Blah, Blah, Blah!I invite you to go on lakersground. There is not one thread (at least on page 1) that indicates any "nervousness". Please. Spare me. Gooden is a nice pick-up. That's all. Nice.. Your big 3 on the other hand are formidable, that I don't deny but to think Gooden takes you over the top is outright hilarious.
Manu coming back healthy is another story. But be forwarned Spurs fan:
MANU IS NOW INJURY PRONE.
Ralph Lawler (Clippers announcer) said he thought the Spurs would win it all if they got Gooden.
Don't know about that, but it was hard to see the current front line beating the Lakers -- now at least it's possible.
Possible? Sure. Likely? No.
Translation of what Gooden being Bonner backup means:
Bonner starts, misses his first 2 3-pt attempts, gets pushed around by the other team's bigs and goes to the bench halfway through the 1st quater in favor of Gooden.
F.T.L indeed
Paranoid delusion at it's best ladies and gentlemen.
I'm not sold that Gooden is giving up some great fortune to play for the Spurs.
Sacramento wanted him for an expiring. They weren't going to sign and trade for salary back. The only teams that could realistically sign and trade and straight absorb him this summer would be 3: Memphis, Detroit, OKC. Don't see that happening. And those teams in this economic climate won't be knocking down his door to give him a raise on 7 million a year.
If anything his agent saw the writing on the wall that Gooden won't be able to make more than the MLE. That's just the way it is, he'll get a paycut whether he stayed in Sacramento and split time with Jason Thompson or took the buyout and played elsewhere. So him getting a chance to stick with a team willing to spend it's MLE because it's a contender is much better than nothing.
He's not. Supposedly he gave up $1.8 mil on his buyout from Sacramento and will sign with the Spurs for something around $1.5. So he is giving up some money to be here, but not all that much.
He gave up his Bird Rights with Sacto. That limits his ability to get a larger than MLE contract this summer and that is rather significant.
$300K isn't exactly pocket change either, even for most NBA players.
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