Kobe = Jordan

[Rogue]

now is the time for all the noobies/nostalgic delusionites to accept that technically, Kobe = Jordan. period. this is the best scorer in the league by far, he is complete as , great passer, never gives up on defense as a guard and BLOCKS SHOTS, does exactly what his team needs at any given time, hits more DAGGER shots/clutch baskets than anyone, is unguardable and can will hismteam to victory better than ANYONE. Boston last year guarded him better than ive seen anyone guard him, and he lost because his team had too many non-black players i key roles while Boston had nothing but big strong athletic guys at every position.

but if they meet again in the Finals LA will RAPE them. i hope the Spurs have enough to beat them and they certainly can, but seriously its time for all these JORDAN = GOD people to accept that Kobe is all that Jordan was.

don't say LA, kobe will rape them as he did on a girl several years ago.

[BeeGee]

Kobe's not equivalent to MJ. Stop that. It's damn near impossible for any player in any sport to be what MJ was.

Kobe reminds many of MJ in a lot of ways, and I think he's become a player in the same category as MJ skills-wise, but accomplishments and impact on the game - it's not possible for him to even sniff MJ.

The is all timing, man. There can never be another MJ because there will never be another player that transcended the game like he did. There will never be another player that will be exalted and put on such a high pedestal as MJ was.

I'll argue all day with the clowns (mostly Bulls/MJ fans) that have the nerve to deny the fact that Kobe's game is highly reminiscent of Mikes.... but there's really no such thing as "=MJ"

[ManuTim_best of Fwiendz]

All people have to do is pull up Jordan's stats from just ONE season, to shut these Kobe homers up.
And to the person saying Kobe's game in the post has improved, Kobe's not even CLOSE to having Jordan's post game. It's nonexistent, by comparison.


i can't believe they have such a short term memory, the performance during last year's finals pretty much put the Kobe /Jordan comparisons to rest for the time being. Laker fans are so insecure.

[Muser]

Jesus christ, more of these threads?

You can't compare them. They had different players playing against them, different rules.

[The Franchise]

Why is this stupid ing thread still open?

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Just compare their individual and team performances in NBA Finals. Says it all.

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i have a hard time believing that a bunch of regular season wins and performances is what puts him equal to Jordan.

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All people have to do is pull up Jordan's stats from just ONE season, to shut these Kobe homers up.

To be somewhat fair, Jordan wouldn't average some of those same stats in today's game. Defense and athleticism in this era is FAR superior than it was in the 80s. It was a lot easier to rack up 25-30 ppg in the 80's as opposed today. I'd say 25-30 ppg today is easily 28-35 in the 80's.

80's was an era of much more fast paced basketball, which led to more posessions, less energy for defense, more shots, more rebounds, more chances to get hot, pretty much more stats all across the board. For players like Lebron and Kobe to be averaging 30+ ppg in today's era, is absoutely astounding.

That said, Jordan is still better than Kobe. Better finisher, better interior player, more agressive, better leader.

Kobe is a better 3pt shooter, and thats about it.

[scanry]

To be somewhat fair, Jordan wouldn't average some of those same stats in today's game. Defense and athleticism in this era is FAR superior than it was in the 80s. It was a lot easier to rack up 25-30 ppg in the 80's as opposed today. I'd say 25-30 ppg today is easily 28-35 in the 80's.

80's was an era of much more fast paced basketball, which led to more posessions, less energy for defense, more shots, more rebounds, more chances to get hot, pretty much more stats all across the board. For players like Lebron and Kobe to be averaging 30+ ppg in today's era, is absoutely astounding.

That said, Jordan is still better than Kobe. Better finisher, better interior player, more agressive, better leader.

Kobe is a better 3pt shooter, and thats about it.

Guy, I think you got it backwards...

The 80's & the 90's were the times when defenders could hack you all over the court. The defense was much better in those days (eg. Pistons, Knicks, Bulls, Rockets and even San Antonio).

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medvedenko failed on an epic level as usual

ing idiot

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Guy, I think you got it backwards...

The 80's & the 90's were the times when defenders could hack you all over the court. The defense was much better in those days (eg. Pistons, Knicks, Bulls, Rockets and even San Antonio).

Wrong. Hacking does not = defense.

Just watch. There is nothing but a storm of wide open shots due to lack of effort on defense, and terrible rebounding ethic. All everyone was interested in doing was taking off running to get the next shot off. Just watch the Suns of the past few years. They played exactly the way 80s teams played... lots of possessions, lots of numbers across the board, which can be fun to watch, but ultimately will never work against teams who base their play on defense, rebounding, and offensive efficiency. That's why ever since the Bad Boy Pistons (20 years now), there has never been a pure run-and-gun team that won a le. The closest was MJ's Bulls, but they not only had a high powered offense, but also had a suffocating defense and rebound game. But look at all the other teams... Rockets, Spurs, Lakers, Pistons, Heat, Celtics... they were all defense/rebound first teams.

[LakeShow]

Talent wise they can be considered equal. Accomplishment wise Jordan is way ahead of Kobe.

MJ had his failed attempts to win a le a few years trying to get past the Pistons. Much like what Kobe has experienced with the Suns and Celtics.

Interesting quote,

Dr. Julius says that Michael Jordan had a key moment when he came to believe in team chemistry. In the 1991 NBA Finals, there was a moment when Jordan was entirely dominating the ball. According to Julius, Phil Jackson called a timeout to tell him to pass it around. Jordan ignored him. Jackson called another timeout, and said that he would bench Jordan if he didn't start trusting his teammates. Jordan did start to trust his teammates, and the Bulls won six les.

Looks like they had the same issues except Michael listened and Kobe pouted against Phoenix.

That said, When it's all said and done, Kobe Bryant will be considered the GOAT!

[gaKNOW!blee]

Talent wise they can be considered equal. Accomplishment wise Jordan is way ahead of Kobe.

MJ had his failed attempts to win a le a few years trying to get past the Pistons. Much like what Kobe has experienced with the Suns and Celtics.

Interesting quote,

Dr. Julius says that Michael Jordan had a key moment when he came to believe in team chemistry. In the 1991 NBA Finals, there was a moment when Jordan was entirely dominating the ball. According to Julius, Phil Jackson called a timeout to tell him to pass it around. Jordan ignored him. Jackson called another timeout, and said that he would bench Jordan if he didn't start trusting his teammates. Jordan did start to trust his teammates, and the Bulls won six les.

Looks like they had the same issues except Michael listened and Kobe pouted against Phoenix.

That said, When it's all said and done, Kobe Bryant will be considered the GOAT!

MJ never lost in the finals, and his stats dwarf Kobe's.

Kobe has a lot of ground to make up with a lot of miles on him.

[LakeShow]

MJ never lost in the finals, and his stats dwarf Kobe's.

Kobe has a lot of ground to make up with a lot of miles on him.

This is true.

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That said, When it's all said and done, Lebron James or Michael Jordan still will be considered the GOAT!

fixed.

[JoeTait75]

I wonder why it's so important for some people that Kobe be considered on the level of Michael Jordan.

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I wonder why it's so important for some people that Kobe be considered on the level of Michael Jordan.

i dunno but it sure is fun to mess with them

[sook]

BRhornet >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>MJ + Kobe

[Rummpd]

I cannot recall Jordan ever being relatively shut down in a finals and Kobe has had that happen 2x in a row. Kobe is fabulous but when he wins 6 les, or even a couple without Shaq the we can really begin to give full consideration to the so far woefully idea that historicaly he is on the same plane as Jordan.

[Agloco]

now is the time for all the noobies/nostalgic delusionites to accept that technically, Kobe = Jordan. period. this is the best scorer in the league by far, he is complete as , great passer, never gives up on defense as a guard and BLOCKS SHOTS, does exactly what his team needs at any given time, hits more DAGGER shots/clutch baskets than anyone, is unguardable and can will hismteam to victory better than ANYONE. Boston last year guarded him better than ive seen anyone guard him, and he lost because his team had too many non-black players i key roles while Boston had nothing but big strong athletic guys at every position.

but if they meet again in the Finals LA will RAPE them. i hope the Spurs have enough to beat them and they certainly can, but seriously its time for all these JORDAN = GOD people to accept that Kobe is all that Jordan was.

They say sniffing paint does bad things to your mind......

[SpursDynasty]

MJ had 6 rings by the time he played 12 full seasons.

Kobe has 3 after 12 seasons.

Basketball is a team sport and the measure of success is championships, not making clutch shots against junk teams.

[Agloco]

Oops...I forgot guys.....when guys like Pop compares MJ to Kobe he always forgets to add...oh but MJ has 6 rings and bs like that.

I go by talent, shooting form, moves, poise, leadership, defense, passion and overall "he's got it"...you dudes can use "stats" as your basis. They are secondary to me as it's completely arbitrary when you start using "numbers" to make a point of something so analagous.

Soooo.... production counts for nothing in your book?

I can start the comparisons between Pops Mensah-Bonsu and Rodman again eh?

[Medvedenko]

Blahabalha....6 rings...blahalahalal.....oh gives a . That's not what I'm arguing....
I'm going by skills, talent, et al. Stretch actually had a good point...once in his posting life, but a good post nevertheless. Everytime you bring up Jordan's #'s I can bring up Wilt's..it doesn't matter. We are all witnessing greatness that is Kobe...soak it up friends.

[Medvedenko]

Soooo.... production counts for nothing in your book?

I can start the comparisons between Pops Mensah-Bonsu and Rodman again eh?

It depends on what you're arguing.

[DrHouse]

Kobe is the closest thing to MJ the league has seen since his retirement and likely the closest thing we will see for some time.

He truly is an incredible once in a generation type of player. He transcends the game in a way that really nobody outside of Tim Duncan does in the NBA.