Which statement about gay rights do you agree with more.

[I. Hustle]

I'll have to go with statement one. I say this because gays don't want to marry those of the opposite sex for reasons relating to love.

But, the thing is, we'd have the same rights. Heteros would have the right to marry those of the same sex, it equals out.

I disagree with the first part. Only because I know a gay dude that married some illegal chick from Europe to help her out.

[I. Hustle]

I don't really care but the thing I hate is this.

Both groups say you are wrong for not thinking like me. That in itself is re ed. If I don't agree with gay people then eff you and if I don't agree with people who hate gay people then eff you too. Let me think for my damn self and stop telling me how I am narrow minded. So my response is FUKK both groups!

[ploto]

Marriage is defined in a manner that does not apply to what they want to do. They want the same rights (which I agree with) but they can obtain them in other ways.

You have the right to legally share your life with the person you love and to whom you are committed. A gay man wants the right to legally share his life with the person he loves and to whom he is committed. A lesbian wants the right to legally share her life with the person she loves and to whom she is committed.

Fixed it.

[baseline bum]

Well...I'm convinced now.

So you could be convinced to like ?

[DarkReign]

So you could be convinced to like ?

I usually dont laugh at gay jokes because theyre overplayed, but this sticks for some reason...

[CuckingFunt]

yeah right your gay lmao just kidding man, I give you all the time but I agree with you. I ing Hate women, everytime I put trust into them they do something to it up. I have friends that are gay and they have the same if not more relationship problems so it happens on the other side of the spectrum too. ing es!! I try not to treat women bad after all the times I get screwed over but its getting harder and harder.

Seriously? Maybe it's time to raise your standards.

[CuckingFunt]

Has science concluded that sexual orientation is something one is born into?

Did you make an active, conscious decision to be straight?

[Blake]

Did you make an active, conscious decision to be straight?

seems to me there are plenty out there that cant make up their minds.

Anne Heche comes to mind.....

lemme know if you want more examples

[CuckingFunt]

seems to me there are plenty out there that cant make up their minds.

Anne Heche comes to mind.....

lemme know if you want more examples

I'm the only example I need in terms of bisexuality.

And, for the record, bisexual is not the same as confused.

[mavs>spurs2]

gays have rights? the right to get on by society maybe

[Xylus]

#2 is the dumbest ing argument I've ever heard.

If you use the logic that it's an extra right for a gay man to be able to marry another man, since he already has the right to marry a woman, then you can also say that a straight man would then have the right to marry another man if he so wished. So both straight and gay people can marry men or women. So there is no extra right.

Furthermore, why would a gay man marry a woman? That's not a right, that's a waste of time.

By the way, I'm drunk. Hahahahaha....

Whatever, give the gays whatever the straights have.

[MiamiHeat]

I don't want gays to be 'married'... i would give them a legal union so they can enjoy tax benefits or whatever.

but marriage means gays want to be accepted by society. this isn't about actually being married on a piece of paper, ok? there are heterosexuals couples who live together as a married couple but never got legally married. it's just a piece of paper sometimes, you don't need it. you don't need it to say "i love you forever and will always be with you"

so this isn't about that piece of legal paper. it's about "please accept my sexuality"

I want 'marriage' to be between a man and a woman, as it has been for at least 8 thousand years.

allowing gays to become legally married = legitimizes gay couples as 'normal' and there is a problem here because many people do not believe sexuality = normal.

I would never discriminate against a sexual, never, but that doesn't mean I have to accept his lifestyle as 'normal'

[baseline bum]

I don't want gays to be 'married'... i would give them a legal union so they can enjoy tax benefits or whatever.

but marriage means gays want to be accepted by society. this isn't about actually being married on a piece of paper, ok? there are heterosexuals couples who live together as a married couple but never got legally married. it's just a piece of paper sometimes, you don't need it. you don't need it to say "i love you forever and will always be with you"

so this isn't about that piece of legal paper. it's about "please accept my sexuality"

I want 'marriage' to be between a man and a woman, as it has been for at least 8 thousand years.

allowing gays to become legally married = legitimizes gay couples as 'normal' and there is a problem here because many people do not believe sexuality = normal.

I would never discriminate against a sexual, never, but that doesn't mean I have to accept his lifestyle as 'normal'

Hasn't marriage mostly been between a man and many women for the past 8000 years? We should all become Mormons if we're going to go with the traditional angle.

[MiamiHeat]

Hasn't marriage mostly been between a man and many women for the past 8000 years? We should all become Mormons if we're going to go with the traditional angle.

Because all marriages in all cultures were formed on those principles? According to you, marriage between one man and one woman was not commonplace?

or Why take care of the elderly? Eskimos, in the past, killed their elderly when they became a burden. Why continue with our tradition of taking care of the elderly since the Eskimos killed theirs?

[ididnotnothat]

I don't want gays to be 'married'... i would give them a legal union so they can enjoy tax benefits or whatever.

but marriage means gays want to be accepted by society. this isn't about actually being married on a piece of paper, ok? there are heterosexuals couples who live together as a married couple but never got legally married. it's just a piece of paper sometimes, you don't need it. you don't need it to say "i love you forever and will always be with you"

so this isn't about that piece of legal paper. it's about "please accept my sexuality"

I want 'marriage' to be between a man and a woman, as it has been for at least 8 thousand years.

allowing gays to become legally married = legitimizes gay couples as 'normal' and there is a problem here because many people do not believe sexuality = normal.

I would never discriminate against a sexual, never, but that doesn't mean I have to accept his lifestyle as 'normal'

By not giving them equal rights you ARE discriminating against sexuals.

[Blake]

I'm the only example I need in terms of bisexuality.

Great for you.

Unfortunately, science disagrees.

And, for the record, bisexual is not the same as confused.

I'm not sure if you think that's what I am getting at, but it's not.

[BacktoBasics]

By not giving them equal rights you ARE discriminating against sexuals.

I don't find legal unions as an alternative to "marriage" discriminatory. I think, and I could be wrong, but most gays are fine with a legal union. The word "marriage" isn't the issue its the benefits and legal rights that should be fairly available for them.

[Blake]

I don't want gays to be 'married'... i would give them a legal union so they can enjoy tax benefits or whatever.

but marriage means gays want to be accepted by society. this isn't about actually being married on a piece of paper, ok? there are heterosexuals couples who live together as a married couple but never got legally married. it's just a piece of paper sometimes, you don't need it. you don't need it to say "i love you forever and will always be with you"

so this isn't about that piece of legal paper. it's about "please accept my sexuality"

I want 'marriage' to be between a man and a woman, as it has been for at least 8 thousand years.

allowing gays to become legally married = legitimizes gay couples as 'normal' and there is a problem here because many people do not believe sexuality = normal.

I would never discriminate against a sexual, never, but that doesn't mean I have to accept his lifestyle as 'normal'

Odd post from you.

[Blake]

#2 is the dumbest ing argument I've ever heard.

If you use the logic that it's an extra right for a gay man to be able to marry another man, since he already has the right to marry a woman, then you can also say that a straight man would then have the right to marry another man if he so wished. So both straight and gay people can marry men or women. So there is no extra right.

Furthermore, why would a gay man marry a woman? That's not a right, that's a waste of time.

By the way, I'm drunk. Hahahahaha....

Whatever, give the gays whatever the straights have.

yay B2B.......you got the drunk votes.

[I Love Me Some Me]

Did you make an active, conscious decision to be straight?

No....maybe sub-consciously I did. Maybe I just followed the natural function of my reproductive organs.

Who knows? But the point is that to say being born gay (if that even exists) and being born black ARE NOT THE SAME THING. One is a physical characteristic genetically determined by the race of your parents, the other is where you like to put your penis when you're horny.

[spurster]

I think mostly option #1, but partly #2 as well.

The question that comes to my mind is why have the government involved in what adults do in private. Why should they be involved in matters of love? My answers are abusive relationships and children.

Women have long been the weaker partner in man-woman relationships, and often abused. I think the government clearly has an interest in preventing this. Women still take the large majority of abuse.

I think the government also has an interest in ensuring the well-being of children, both in promoting the positive (e.g., education, health, stability) and preventing the negative (abuse, poverty). I think this is clearly the strongest of my two answers.

Except for the "love" angle, I just don't see why the government should be involved in gay marriage. Of course, a lot of marriages are intentionally childless, and I don't see why they should be getting tax breaks, insurance breaks, etc. either. Creating a civil union contract would cover a lot of the legal rights couples would be interested in without adding the dubious benefits. People with children should get a break.

[RichardSimmons]

No....maybe sub-consciously I did. Maybe I just followed the natural function of my reproductive organs.

Who knows? But the point is that to say being born gay (if that even exists) and being born black ARE NOT THE SAME THING. One is a physical characteristic genetically determined by the race of your parents, the other is where you like to put your penis when you're horny.

I've known I was gay since I can remember and YES, I was born that way.

[CuckingFunt]

Great for you.

Unfortunately, science disagrees.

Science disagrees with what? That assertion doesn't make a lick of sense within the context of the comments preceding it.

I'm not sure if you think that's what I am getting at, but it's not.

A comment that bisexuals can't make up their mind is not hinting at a suggestion that they're confused? Really?

It's quite obvious to me that you're arguing here just to be obstinate, but that's usually more successful when you actually engage with the other comments being made.

[CuckingFunt]

No....maybe sub-consciously I did. Maybe I just followed the natural function of my reproductive organs.

Who knows? But the point is that to say being born gay (if that even exists) and being born black ARE NOT THE SAME THING. One is a physical characteristic genetically determined by the race of your parents, the other is where you like to put your penis when you're horny.

So... you didn't have any conscious control over your sexuality, but the millions of gay/lesbian/bisexual people in this world did?

[Blake]

Science disagrees with what? That assertion doesn't make a lick of sense within the context of the comments preceding it.

science disagree that your the only example needed in regards to bisexuality.

A comment that bisexuals can't make up their mind is not hinting at a suggestion that they're confused? Really?

what is your definition of bisexual? Can someone not go back and forth between straight and gay and not be considered bi?

It's quite obvious to me that you're arguing here just to be obstinate, but that's usually more successful when you actually engage with the other comments being made.

No, I'm really not.

I thought I've engaged all the relevant comments made, including yours, but please let me know which ones I haven't engaged and I will be happy to engage with them.