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I'm not evading, I asked my question first.
If you were the Israeli Prime Minister, how do you respond to the rocket attacks?
Is quarantining gaza and killing 1300 people one of them? If you want to take out a specific enemy i advise you not to carpet bomb the place. They knew what they were doing. Why are you evading my questions? Why do you always disappear when you are shown to be the ass you are?
I'm not evading, I asked my question first.
If you were the Israeli Prime Minister, how do you respond to the rocket attacks?
LIKE I SAID. I would not carpet bomb the place. I would push for Man to Man combat. I would have more casualties but i would be morally satisfied in the fact i didn't go around killing 10 civilians for every one of my targets.
And btw, which Israeli Minister do you speak of? Your hero? This guy?
Why do you hate America Yoni?A beaming Olmert then described telling President Bush “the US cannot possibly vote in favor of this resolution,” and spoke with pride of how embarrassed US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice was at having to abstain from voting for a resolution she helped to organize and gather support for.
I didn't ask what you wouldn't do and an invasion of Gaza would result in more civilian casualties than have the bombings. The vast majority of civilian casaulties, in Gaza, are due to the targets being embedded in neighborhoods and the apparent "Take your family to work" policy of Hamas and the Palestinians.
Typical. Knitpick what you choose to answer, I'll post it again for you my
remedial friend.
Is this the Prime Minister you support?
What kind of paradoxical statement is loving America and supporting aA beaming Olmert then described telling President Bush “the US cannot possibly vote in favor of this resolution,” and spoke with pride of how embarrassed US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice was at having to abstain from voting for a resolution she helped to organize and gather support for.
pompous fool such as Olmert and his actions in Gaza?
I'm not an Israeli citizen...I don't support their Prime Minister. I don't know that much about him.
You're just trying to change the subject.
So, if an Israeli invasion would cost as many civilians lives but, in your estimation, at least cost the Israelis some lives, that'd be okay?
Could you phrase your argument any poorer? I am going to make a feeble attempt in interpreting what you just stated.
A) You're saying that an Israeli invasion would cost as many civilian lives? I am seriously beginning to question your intelligence, do you think it is harder to see an enemy face to face or behind the reigns of an F-16 fighter jet? Do you think more civilians would be killed by constant bombing or ground combat?
B) If you are referring to the Israeli soldiers as the civilians, they are not. They are soldiers.
C) Of course you face. More Israeli soldiers would die but that is the cost of protecting the innocent. Last i checked did we just nuke over half of Iraq? Why do we have troops there?
Spare me with such rudimentary notions and go do some research you .
Ground combat in Gaza would result in many more than the 1,300 civilians lives you've talked about. (42% of which are women and children -- according to you).
They're Israeli lives. Why squander them just so you'll believe there's some moral equivalence?
I contend it wouldn't protect the innocent. Hamas and the Palestinians have shown no indication they would change their tactics if there were an invasion.
So, why are the Palestinians attacking Israel?
You may have surpassed the few i know in making idiotic assumptions. Again, if you truly believe Carpet Bombing results in less civilians killed you are reinforcing the fact you are an idiot.
You could say the same about anybody, even a criminal. Sorry doesn't work.
Yea and how are the Palestinians the antagonizers when you have one side suffocating Gaza and coincidentally stopping Media from entering, yup they have nothing dirty to hide.
Why are Israelis attacking Palestinians?
Please Yoni, stop the self ownage.
You obviously have no concept of what is carpet bombing.
You're the one asking Israel to put their soldiers in an untenable situation just so you'll feel better about it.
Hamas has violated every cease fire that has ever been reached. And, as soon as Israel relaxes checkpoints and free passage, another Palestinian blows up in a market or on a bus.
To eliminate the threat posed by those rocket launchers.
Please Yoni, stop the self ownage.
Maybe that poor child was at this family gathering.
Original AP Caption: "A masked Hamas militant sets up a makeshift mortar launcher against Israeli forces, unseen, as Palestinian youths try to cover him from the sight of the forces during an incursion in a Gaza city's neighborhood, Wednesday Feb. 11, 2004. Israeli troops moved into a neighborhood at the eastern edge of Gaza City early Wednesday, killing atleast 14 Palestinians and wounding at least 27 others in exchanges of fire, residents said, sparking the bloodiest fighting in Gaza in four months. (AP Photo/Adel Hana)"
Is it any ing wonder 14 Palestinians were killed and another 27 wounded?
Is that any way to engage in combat?
By the way, this occurred during an Israeli incursion which you seem to favor over bombing. This is how the Hamas and their Palestinian cohorts fight hand-to-hand.
the question you gotto ask yourself when they use civilians as human shields, why are they dumb s still standing around waitin for this clown to fire a rocket when they should be dispersing to safer grounds due to the probability of a counter attack?
if they israelis and palestinians wanna settle the score, remove all weaponary and lets fight it oldschool....fist and stones
Just when i thought you couldn't get any lower you conter a dead child's pic with a pic like that. Keep it comin buddy its working for you, you're only exposing yourself.You obviously have no concept of what is carpet bombing.
You're the one asking Israel to put their soldiers in an untenable situation just so you'll feel better about it.
Hamas has violated every cease fire that has ever been reached. And, as soon as Israel relaxes checkpoints and free passage, another Palestinian blows up in a market or on a bus.
To eliminate the threat posed by those rocket launchers.
Maybe that poor child was at this family gathering.
What? It is entirely possible the dead child was the victim of what was depicted in the two pictures I posted.
What the are those children doing? Why do Palestinian mothers and fathers allow their children to run around a battlefield? Is it any surprise some are killed and injured?
Yoni, advocating the morality of a surge where the ratio of deaths is 200-1, is simply advocating a slaughter. You can do it, you just can't do it well. Anyone who thinks that Gaza is anything but a concentration camp with benefits is a tool, it's as simple as that.
It's a self-imposed incarceration.
Look, Palestine has a bunch of terrorists, and Israel takes out lots of civilians getting to those terrorists.
Sounds familiar eh?
Neither side is blameless.
Honestly, the best chance of stopping a war between the two would be to make sure that Palestine had an army as effective as Israel. The last few wars have usually happened because one side has a great advantage. Modern warfare is too effective now to go to war with someone who has the same goodies you do.
Nice photo. The guy holding the child looks firmiliar. I don't remember the site, but pictures were shown from several news sources together. The same man carrying children away, firing weapons, etc.
If this is the same man. it's a staged photo!
Pure propaganda reasons.
Now I'm not going to say children don't get killed as collateral damage, but wouldn't we consider that Child Abuse, to let them play in such an environment?
Would you let your children go out with gang members to watch a drive by shooting?
Get real you liberals.
Wtf are you smoking?
"That environment"? The whole point is that civilians aren't safe. There's no designated 'war zone'. Would you blame the parents of a victim of a drive-by shooting? Sheesh.
If you think it's the same guy, then put up evidence to prove it. Don't just say, "I think" and then expect us to assume it as fact.
What would we consider killing children then? Acceptable colletaral damage? A reach out to kids program? One's side is subjected to the laws of war, the other to the laws of peace? Collateral damage on one side and child abuse on another?
You have the audacity to compare the crime of murdering children with the "crime" of not keeping them indoors (not that would guaranty their safety, it would apperently just put your mind at ease if they would die under a pile of rubble- no bad photos, no need for intellectual gymnastics). It's perverted to accuse the parents of killed children for not isolating them in non-existant bomb resistant bunkers, how can you be so blind?
What could Israel do that would eliminate the terrorists without running the risk of civilian casualties?
In the case of Islamic extremists, they have no qualms about picking a fight with someone who vastly outguns them. And you want to level that playing field?Honestly, the best chance of stopping a war between the two would be to make sure that Palestine had an army as effective as Israel. The last few wars have usually happened because one side has a great advantage. Modern warfare is too effective now to go to war with someone who has the same goodies you do.
Why does the world expect Israel and the United States to put down their Tomahawks for Kalishnikovs simply because the enemy that is trying to kill them doesn't have any better?
War isn't a game. The terrorists should quit picking fights if they can't stand what's going to come flying back at them.
I didn't say that they would be able to eliminate the risk of civilian casualties.
They would have to wage full-fledged war, and occupy Palestine, in order to try and eliminate civilian casualties. I do think that their response is over the top, and from the sources I've read, it doesn't seem that they're very discriminating in their return fire. Also, the ratio of Israel to Palestine deaths is something pretty low, like 1 to 20 IIRC.
Like I said, there's really no one that's "blameless". I think it's just important to point out that it's not necessarily Israel vs Palestine, but Israeli soldiers vs Palestinian terrorists. It's a necessary distinction in my eyes.
You're missing my point. I'm just saying that most countries are leery of fighting those who are equally armed. I'm not actually suggesting Israel use that tactic!
Palestinian terrorists are using those techniques because they're asymmetric. They can not 'win' a war. The only way to 'win' is to get a draw. And because they can fade into civilian population, it's very tough to attack them without accidentally taking out civilians, which upsets the civilian population and leads others to terrorism.
Meanwhile, Israeli soldiers try to fight back, destroying resistance where they can find it, ensuring that the terrorists never will be able to fight a war symmetrically.
The only real way to fight terrorism is the way we're doing it in Iraq. By providing security and convincing people that your side is better than the terrorists' side.
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