Pathetic loss

[Ice009]

Bonner was 50% from the field, 3-6 overall
He did have 7 rebounds, 6 defensive, and a blocked shot, same a gooden with fewer fouls, not really useless.


It is Finley that is the one that needs less time on floor.

Matt Bonner is usually useless in the second half when the game is up for grabs. If Pop wants to keep starting him I guess that is OK IF we keep getting off to good starts, but like I mentioned Matt Bonner is someone you need to limit his minutes if he is not producing. You can always play him less in the second half if he's not bringing it.

[Ice009]

Yes, because the Spurs seem to be getting off to good starts with him in there. The Spurs had double-digit leads in the first quarters in OKC and at home against Boston.

The problem with Matt comes later in the 2nd half when he isn't hitting, nor getting his shot and he cannot counter-balance his soft defense. His defense on KG was very weak and uncontesting. His slowness to cross-match in transition led to a very easy 3-pointer by Allen after a Mason miss.

Pop is still experimenting. With the injuries and the Gooden addition, Pop's had to take a look to see what he has...even as late as it is in the season. The starters are fine. We all just want to see 9 guys who can play tough defense and execute offensively in the 3rd and 4th quarters. SPAM.

Do you agree with what I said in my post above about limiting his minutes if he is not producing?

You can still start him if you want, but if he's not producing cut back his minutes and don't play him much in the second half.

[crc21209]

The whole team is just in a funk from 3 and I'm sure theyll get out of it soon...especially when Manu comes back as well..even if TD is not 100%, other teams have to respect him and D up on him....as well as TP and Manu and even Mason...

[smeagol]

some spurs fans are pathetic.

they know who they are . . .

[mookie2001]

some spurs fans are real fans, not just because of one fragile chode

[SequSpur]

Bonner was 50% from the field, 3-6 overall
He did have 7 rebounds, 6 defensive, and a blocked shot, same a gooden with fewer fouls, not really useless.


It is Finley that is the one that needs less time on floor.

GEEZUS KRISTE!!!!!!!

Look...comment on Bonner if you watched the game.. I am so tired of you stat newspaper readers... Bonner was in invisible last night... I was there, I saw it with my own eyes... In the course of 30 minutes, yes, he is going to get some stats... .

Bonner is not the answer... Any coach that gives bonner 30 minutes against the celts, lakers, cavs, magic, hornets or rockets is a ing idiot.

[SequSpur]

Yes, because the Spurs seem to be getting off to good starts with him in there. The Spurs had double-digit leads in the first quarters in OKC and at home against Boston.

The problem with Matt comes later in the 2nd half when he isn't hitting, nor getting his shot and he cannot counter-balance his soft defense. His defense on KG was very weak and uncontesting. His slowness to cross-match in transition led to a very easy 3-pointer by Allen after a Mason miss.

Pop is still experimenting. With the injuries and the Gooden addition, Pop's had to take a look to see what he has...even as late as it is in the season. The starters are fine. We all just want to see 9 guys who can play tough defense and execute offensively in the 3rd and 4th quarters. SPAM.

They were down by 18 within the first 10 minutes of the Laker game with him in there...

Are you really that ing stupid? Dude, I really have lost all ing respect for any opinion you have ever had.. really... your game is now...

I might as well put you on ignore... Are you mowing Bonners yard or something?

NBA TEAMS DON'T WIN CHAMPIONSHIPS WITH PLAYERS LIKE BONNER PLAYING MORE THAN 2 MINUTES UNLESS THEY ARE UP BY 20.

[cherylsteele]

GEEZUS KRISTE!!!!!!!

Look...comment on Bonner if you watched the game.. I am so tired of you stat newspaper readers... Bonner was in invisible last night... I was there, I saw it with my own eyes... In the course of 30 minutes, yes, he is going to get some stats... .

Bonner is not the answer... Any coach that gives bonner 30 minutes against the celts, lakers, cavs, magic, hornets or rockets is a ing idiot.

I NEVER said he was the answer. Maybe he should not start but he is an important piece to this Spurs' team
I just say he is not totally useless, Finley played nearly identical minutes, and did even less, along with Mason.
Oh and yes I did watch the game.
Just because he is taller than you, from what I here, don't blame him.
I don't put much stock in what you say because you're not objective, you never seem to like anything the Spurs ever do, no matter what.

[ATXSPUR]

The excuse making by some on here is getting tiring. The worst part is the at ude of a lot of fans on here is the same of a lot of our front office. I'm glad I enjoyed the Spurs le run while it lasted...because this franchise is going to become the Dallas Cowboys of the NBA very VERY soon.

[Solid D]

They were down by 18 within the first 10 minutes of the Laker game with him in there...

Are you really that ******* stupid? Dude, I really have lost all ing respect for any opinion you have ever had.. really... your game is **** now...

I might as well put you on ignore... Are you mowing Bonners yard or something?

NBA TEAMS DON'T WIN CHAMPIONSHIPS WITH PLAYERS LIKE BONNER PLAYING MORE THAN 2 MINUTES UNLESS THEY ARE UP BY 20.

You are starting to sound like an immature troll, Sequ. You are better than this...I mean as a human being, you are better than this obviously, but as a personality...you are better than this.

First of all, I was fairly critical of Bonner's defense in this entire thread. Secondly, what I'm saying is truthful about the starting lineup being fine. It's the finishing lineup that needs work and that's what Pop and his staff are experimenting with.

Secondly, the past four games the Spurs had leads when Bonner went out against Boston (7), Minn (3), OKC (4) and were basically even (10-11) versus Houston but then Matt came back in, got 7 rebounds for the 1st half and the Spurs led by 4 when he went out after his 2nd stint.

All year, the Spurs have been fine most of the games early-on, particularly with their starters. You picked the Lakers game and said the Lakers were up by 18 when Bonner went out, when actually it was 14 points (23-9), but it wasn't really Bonner's fault per se. His man, Odom, scored 3 points and Gasol 2 while Fisher, Kobe and Ariza scored 18. All the starters did poorly to start that particular game. If you want to use one game, then what about the 1st Boston game when Bonner went for 16 points in the first half?

The starters aren't the problem with the Spurs. It's getting the right mix of guys to finish games, particularly with the injury situation.

Saying the Spurs suck just doesn't cut it considering the experimentation with non-injured players that is going on. I'm all for sitting Matt in the key stretches of games for defensive reasons, as I am with Finley also.

Get a better argument. Behind the facade, I know you really do have one.

[SequSpur]

WTF is a troll? I am dead serious when it comes to Matt Bonner. Sorry dude, I just don't see it and I am wearing a Spurs shirt right now. It's called reality. Matt Bonner is not championship caliber talent.

Stop throwing stupid statistics that don't mean jack when it comes to being a contender. Matt Bonner doesn't help in any category.

Matt dropping 3s in Boston was a one trick pony game.. Period. Why didn't he get invited to the allstar festivities? Is that in your statbook?

The Spurs have sucked ass this entire month, they got smoked against Cleveland, LA and Boston... Lost to OKC.

Keep on sucking that Pop bone holmes... Just keep on....

Troll this.

[SequSpur]

Matt Bonner guarded Kevin Garnett who could barely run and he scored at will on his ass. Spurs lead......gone...

Watch a game Solid D. Are you still a Spurs fan?

[Solid D]

Matt Bonner guarded Kevin Garnett who could barely run and he scored at will on his ass. Spurs lead......gone...

Watch a game Solid D. Are you still a Spurs fan?

Now you are just parroting what I said about Bonner's defense on KG. I'm now convinced you are just arguing to argue.

[Capt Bringdown]

I believe 2007 was the turning point. We haven't improved since then and everyone's getting older.
To be honest, I couldn't believe we won it that year. Dallas had our number, and we're lucky they got knocked off.
Once the euphoria of another le died down, I felt there should be a sense of urgency about improving the team. Our deficiencies were obvious, but we made some dubious decisions and now we're paying the price for our complacency.

[tlongII]

Sequ knows of what he speaks. He's just saying that Matt Bonner has no business being on the court with a championship caliber team. I agree 100%.

[DeadlyDynasty]

Sequ knows of what he speaks. He's just saying that Matt Bonner has no business being on the court with a championship caliber team. I agree 100%.

I second (or third) that. "and now the starting lineup for your Western Conference Champion San Antonio Spurs...Starting at Center, out of Florida, MATT BONNER?????" LMAO, that's not even conceivable in a dream sequence. Have you seen how he's played against the Lakers and other good teams (that one boston game notwithstanding)?

[SenorSpur]

I believe 2007 was the turning point. We haven't improved since then and everyone's getting older.
To be honest, I couldn't believe we won it that year. Dallas had our number, and we're lucky they got knocked off.
Once the euphoria of another le died down, I felt there should be a sense of urgency about improving the team. Our deficiencies were obvious, but we made some dubious decisions and now we're paying the price for our complacency.

Can't argue that. The Spurs certainly made valiant attempts to get younger this past offseason. The additions of Hill and Mason have helped some. However with Ian having been injured all season, Hairston being a late season call-up and having only gotten spot duty, and Splitter and Gist being across the pond, these have all hurt the presumed improved skill and depth of this roster. Unfortunately, the additions they did make simply not been sufficient enough to offset injury and the general erosion of of talent and skill that have been realized this season.

During last years playoffs, we saw how the Spurs struggled mightily with the youth and quickness of the Hornets. It took a collosal effort and their veteran experience to outlast them in a grueling 7-game series. We saw again how they struggled to match the length, athleticism and size of the Fakers, where the Spurs were routinely outquicked, outhustled and outrebounded, until they fell in 5 games. With several a rash of injuries and questions remaining unanswered about this current roster, it appears that the Spurs could very well struggle to, once again, match up with the Fakers for conference supremacy in this years playoffs.

I've longed feared that the Spurs would wait too long to begin integrating the next core of young depth. I agree the process probably should have started sooner than this past offseason. Especially when you consider it takes 1-2 seasons for players to fully integrate and get comfortable in the Spurs system. As I always say, the time to get fuel is not when your tank hits "E" and you're on the side of the road out of gas. We'll see if this how much gas this team has left for this years playoff run.

[DAF86]

I agree and I so ing tired of Jay Howard talking about him...

yeah, a reckless player is great for the Spurs.

If it wasn't for him, the Spurs would have 5 rings.

Sure, 'cause we would have beaten Detroit in 2005 without Manu

Without Manu we'd have two championships at most.

[mookie2001]

Sure, 'cause we would have beaten Detroit in 2005 without Manu

Without Manu we'd have two championships at most.

so that means he isnt hurt and hasnt totally ed us in 2006, 2008 and 2009

[DAF86]

so that means he isnt hurt and hasnt totally ed us in 2006, 2008 and 2009

No, that means that without Ginobili the Spurs wouldn't have won the championship on 05 and most likely neither the one on 2007.

And in 2006 and 2008 is also very likely that we wouldn't have got where we did without him.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

some spurs fans are real fans, not just because of one fragile chode

Aren't you the one that rips on Ginobili at every opportunity given his current injury?

[Purple & Gold]

I like Tim Duncan he's one of my favorite players. "The Big Fundamental" suits him well. It's sad that the spurs FO has paired players like Bonner and Oberto next to him.

[NFGIII]

so that means he isnt hurt and hasnt totally ed us in 2006, 2008 and 2009

2006 - yes he made a terible mistake against Dirk. We all believe that if he doesn't foul Dirk then we take the le that year, too. I don't see anyway the the Heat can stay with us that year. So if you want to say he "f**ked" the Spurs then that is a legitimate statement but a little harsh considering that his contributions were vital to getting the Spurs in position to win it all. Nobody's perfect and you can't win all the time. Yeah I'm disapointed that we didn't win in 2006 and I do blame Manu for not following Pop's instructions but it happens. Don't like it but I deal with it. Manu said the same the following year when he took responsibility for them not getting to the WCF if not the Finals that year. IIRC.

2008 - he gets injured and can't perform up to his standards in the POs. How can anyone state that as having "f**ked" the Spurs is beyond comprehension. Sports = injuries. Stuff happens.

2009 - looks like he may be breaking down due to his style of play. Could anyone on this board state that we would be better off if we never had him on the team? Or that we should have traded him a couple of years ago since many saw this coming and therefore the FO and Pop should have, too?

No, that means that without Ginobili the Spurs wouldn't have won the championship on 05 and most likely neither the one on 2007.

And in 2006 and 2008 is also very likely that we wouldn't have got where we did without him.

Agreed. Sometimes I think people on the board get a little out of perspective. But that's normal since we're all fans of the Spurs and passionate about them.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

Now what's the excuse?

[jag]

Now what's the excuse?

Your swollen vagina.