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    Veteran jack sommerset's Avatar
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    You should be able to smoke if you want. The Government is only trying to make money. Its easy to nail smokers now a days. Its the in thing to do. Over time that will change to, just like prohibition in the 20's.

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    Out with the old... Obstructed_View's Avatar
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    I wouldn't say cigarette addicts kick the habbit all the time. Maybe crack heads but not smokers. They generally smoke until they die or the doctor says "stop or you will die"
    They kick the habit all the time. I quit seven years ago after smoking for 20 years. If I can do it, anybody can. My anger at the government that keeps heaping taxes on it was a big motivating factor.

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    It's not rape if you consent.
    +1

    LOTS of people quit every year, JS. I quit nine years ago. In spite of the fact that it's an addictive substance and hard as to quit, it IS still a voluntary behavior.

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    right about pizzagate Blake's Avatar
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    Was it too hard to read the entire article you posted about some weak ass research study in the Netherlands?

    here's more from your article:

    As it says at Kaiser's Daily Report, "healthy individuals on average had lifetime health care costs of $417,000, compared with $371,000 for obese individuals and $326,000 for smokers, according to the study."

    Common sense dictates that since obese people and smokers die younger than healthy people, those healthy people might end up paying more for health insurance.

    But here's the thing, the study didn't take into account two very important factors: prescription drugs, and quality of life.

    Prescription drugs are a billion dollar enterprise here in the US, and as this generation ages, life spans are being extended due to the use of expensive drugs. Sure, it might cost less for an obese person to die young, but what if that person lives longer due to the use of expensive medications? That's a person who will certainly have very high health insurance premiums.

    And then there's quality of life to think about. The leader of the study, an economist by the way, states that "lung cancer is a cheap disease to treat because people don't survive very long." This is true, but isn't it worth another $40,000 to live longer, and enjoy living your life at the same time?

    After all, that's what health insurance was originally supposed to provide - piece of mind, and the means to keep living the healthy, happy life that we all deserve.
    self owned. nice work.


    It's also not too hard to figure out why many, many, many, focking many corporations are offering incentives for their employees to stay healthy:

    because it cuts down on the premiums, dumbass.

    Let me know if you need more help with this one.

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    Che cazzo stai dicendo? DisgruntledLionFan#54,927's Avatar
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    Was it too hard to read the entire article you posted about some weak ass research study in the Netherlands?

    here's more from your article:



    self owned. nice work.


    It's also not too hard to figure out why many, many, many, focking many corporations are offering incentives for their employees to stay healthy:

    because it cuts down on the premiums, dumbass.

    Let me know if you need more help with this one.
    I never stated it was a fact and made it quite clear for a like you who likes to argue semantics that it was solely my opinion. I wasn't providing the link as a base for my argument(you know, because I already said I had no source), just information on the topic. Having said that, how do I self-own myself after I say that it's my opinion and it probably will never be proven either way?

    baggery at its best.

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    you smoker haters. Self-rightous es.

    I smoke obviously.

    I have no problem going outside or being designated to a certain area of a bar/restrutrant. Thats not the big deal for me. What pisses me off is when I go to a designated area, someone HAS to ask me to put it out..... ummm... YOU!!!

    For example, I was at a resturant that had a DESIGNATED area for smoking. There was PLENTY of non-smoking seating. A couple and thier baby came and sat in the booth right next to us and had the ing NERVE to ask us to put out our cigarettes IN THE ING SMOKING SECTION!!!

    Needless to say, I told them to off and sit someplace else.... and thats curbing what I actually said. You ing non-smokers think you should have EVERYTHING!

    look, I know I have a bad habbit but you need to understand that I dont mind that habbit and dont mind going "out of the way" for you pricks. Just stay the away from me and out of my business and I will stay out of yours. Its that simple.

    Just today, I lit up a smoke near my vehicle WAY outside of H.E.B. and some (probably one of you suckers) tell me the old go-to line "you know, thats bad for you." I replied "So is not minding your own ing business."

    I bet some of you asslickers smoke pot too. It will be the same for you when the is made legal.

    off you self-rightous pricks.

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    As someone who is dealing with the imminent loss of a close relative due to a smoking related illness (I believe the time line is now measured in days, not weeks) I'm finding it hard to muster any sympathy for a tax hike on tobacco.

    She smoked for years before the danger was known, and she smoked for years after the danger was known. She quit quite some time ago, but the damage to her lungs was already done, and the ensuing bouts of pneumonia have taken their toll. I never had much of an urge to smoke before, but after watching her decline, I'll pretty much actively attempt to keep anyone close to me from smoking ever again.

    I don't get the smokers outrage over others not wanting smoke in their presence either. I won't bother trying to get you to quit, you are an adult and can make decisions for yourself. You know what is involved and have made the choice that the benefit of smoking outweighs the risks, and I respect that. That's your choice, and no one should be able to take that away from you. I don't expect you to make that choice for those around you however. Stick to designated smoking areas, and we're cool. You get to smoke, I get to avoid the smoke, everyone is happy. This should not be difficult.

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    This is why weed smokers should hope it is never made legal, just decriminalized. The govt will it all up, fill it with trash to make you addicted, and tax the out of it to make money off of you. They would tax you for the air you breathe to pay for their bull spending if they could.

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    Does anyone else feel like we are coming full circle as a country, that the very factors that helped provoke the American Revolution are increasingly becoming present in modern day American govt?

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    As someone who is dealing with the imminent loss of a close relative due to a smoking related illness (I believe the time line is now measured in days, not weeks) I'm finding it hard to muster any sympathy for a tax hike on tobacco.

    She smoked for years before the danger was known, and she smoked for years after the danger was known. She quit quite some time ago, but the damage to her lungs was already done, and the ensuing bouts of pneumonia have taken their toll. I never had much of an urge to smoke before, but after watching her decline, I'll pretty much actively attempt to keep anyone close to me from smoking ever again.

    I don't get the smokers outrage over others not wanting smoke in their presence either. I won't bother trying to get you to quit, you are an adult and can make decisions for yourself. You know what is involved and have made the choice that the benefit of smoking outweighs the risks, and I respect that. That's your choice, and no one should be able to take that away from you. I don't expect you to make that choice for those around you however. Stick to designated smoking areas, and we're cool. You get to smoke, I get to avoid the smoke, everyone is happy. This should not be difficult.
    Thats what Im saying as a Smoker. I HAVE NO PROBLEM sticking to the designated areas. The problem comes from assholes who come into those area's and get offended when someone lights a smoke. them.

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    Rape+Cigs=


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    Your point is? SpursStalker's Avatar
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    you smoker haters. Self-rightous es.

    I smoke obviously.

    I have no problem going outside or being designated to a certain area of a bar/restrutrant. Thats not the big deal for me. What pisses me off is when I go to a designated area, someone HAS to ask me to put it out..... ummm... YOU!!!

    For example, I was at a resturant that had a DESIGNATED area for smoking. There was PLENTY of non-smoking seating. A couple and thier baby came and sat in the booth right next to us and had the ing NERVE to ask us to put out our cigarettes IN THE ING SMOKING SECTION!!!

    Needless to say, I told them to off and sit someplace else.... and thats curbing what I actually said. You ing non-smokers think you should have EVERYTHING!

    look, I know I have a bad habbit but you need to understand that I dont mind that habbit and dont mind going "out of the way" for you pricks. Just stay the away from me and out of my business and I will stay out of yours. Its that simple.

    Just today, I lit up a smoke near my vehicle WAY outside of H.E.B. and some (probably one of you suckers) tell me the old go-to line "you know, thats bad for you." I replied "So is not minding your own ing business."
    I bet some of you asslickers smoke pot too. It will be the same for you when the is made legal.

    off you self-rightous pricks.
    Amen!!

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    I quit after smoking for about 25 years or so ... just because I felt like it, and I know lots of other people that have, too. So yeah, people kick the addiction all the time. Jacking the price up the last time, though, was a big motivator for me ... I can't lie.
    Good for you. You did it cold turkey huh?

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    you smoker haters. Self-rightous es.

    I smoke obviously.

    I have no problem going outside or being designated to a certain area of a bar/restrutrant. Thats not the big deal for me. What pisses me off is when I go to a designated area, someone HAS to ask me to put it out..... ummm... YOU!!!

    For example, I was at a resturant that had a DESIGNATED area for smoking. There was PLENTY of non-smoking seating. A couple and thier baby came and sat in the booth right next to us and had the ing NERVE to ask us to put out our cigarettes IN THE ING SMOKING SECTION!!!

    Needless to say, I told them to off and sit someplace else.... and thats curbing what I actually said. You ing non-smokers think you should have EVERYTHING!

    look, I know I have a bad habbit but you need to understand that I dont mind that habbit and dont mind going "out of the way" for you pricks. Just stay the away from me and out of my business and I will stay out of yours. Its that simple.

    Just today, I lit up a smoke near my vehicle WAY outside of H.E.B. and some (probably one of you suckers) tell me the old go-to line "you know, thats bad for you." I replied "So is not minding your own ing business."

    I bet some of you asslickers smoke pot too. It will be the same for you when the is made legal.

    off you self-rightous pricks.
    smoking is bad for you

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    Ya like every smoker could quit tomorrow if they all wanted to anyway.

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    Your point is? SpursStalker's Avatar
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    smoking is bad for you
    *spank*

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    You said you would quit smoking, remember?

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    Your point is? SpursStalker's Avatar
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    You said you would quit smoking, remember?
    If that is what it takes to get my car ...


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    If that is what it takes to get my car ...


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    Your point is? SpursStalker's Avatar
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    Ok, Ms. Part Time Smoker ...


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    Ok, Ms. Part Time Smoker ...


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    she's a part time smoker...

    full time party machine

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    she's a part time smoker...

    full time party machine
    You got that right bud!

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    The Wheel Is Turning... shelshor's Avatar
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    buy American Made all natural filtered cigars. they smoke like a cigarette and are made in San Antonio. since they are "cigars", they are not taxed and are only .99 cents a pack!

    http://www.finckcigarcompany.com/fin...SUCN378RXGF754

    oh...and you're welcome.
    They are taxed--current tax on cigars is between 4 & 5 cents/cigar; on 1 April, the tax increases to 40 cents/cigar, which is less draconian than the proposal that came out of Congress about 1 1/2 years ago-on some cigars, the tax would have gone as high as $20.00/cigar

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    Good for you. You did it cold turkey huh?

    I used Chantix ... it worked great for me. July 24 will be 2 years.


    Glad I quit too, but the longer I go (7 months now) the harder it's getting.
    I still have pretty strong urges every once in a while, even after this long. Especially when I get upset ... but don't give in! I was behind this lady in line buying some, and it was $6.22 for a pack of Marlboros at Valero this morning! Holy smokes!

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