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    There's still a chance for him to improve but so far his at ude and fit on the team is that of the bigman version of Ron Mercer.
    If that's the case, they use Bruce's contract to get a different player, either in trade or by cutting him. With the NBA basically carrying somewhere between 10 and 12 teams with bridge loans, you can be sure a league-mandated payroll austerity program for those teams is just around the corner. My guess is that none of those teams will be permitted to be over the tax, or more strictly, possibly the cap.

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    If that's the case, they use Bruce's contract to get a different player, either in trade or by cutting him. With the NBA basically carrying somewhere between 10 and 12 teams with bridge loans, you can be sure a league-mandated payroll austerity program for those teams is just around the corner. My guess is that none of those teams will be permitted to be over the tax, or more strictly, possibly the cap.
    Yeah if Bowen isn't resurrected by the end of the playoffs to the point that he's playing at least 20 MPG, he's gone. Even though the Spurs wouldn't be saving a heap of money, both he and Oberto will probably be let go to open up enough room to spend the MLE.

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    Bowen is not coming back...therefore we are not winning anything. Face reality people.
    We are not winning anything because bruce is not coming back. If we don't win anything, it won't be because bruce is not coming back, timmy slowing down, maybe...,manu not able to slash reclessly anymore sure...tony shooting 35 times a night in the playoffs slight possibility...but not winning anything because bruce is not coming back

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    I know it looks like Pop is through with Bowen, but I still think he'll go to him in the playoffs. Maybe Bowen'll get normal minutes and it will look like Pop has been playing weird all along, or maybe Pop will go to him if/when our defense fails, but I think he will play. We saw what I think is our best and likely crunch time lineup at the end of the Boston game -- TP, Mason (will be Manu now that he's healthy), Bowen, KT, Duncan -- and Bowen was a part of that.

    Pop has been messing with rotations so much this year, I don't think we can tell anything reliably.

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    People may eyeroll a bit on this, but I really believe something may have happened between Pop and Bruce behind closed doors. For all the talk about Pop sacrificing defense for offense, there is just no way he leaves Bruce to rot on the bench like this. Bruce may be near the end of his career but he's still easily the best perimeter defender we have (the second best of which, Mr. George Hill is also struggling for playing time).

    I know it sounds crazy but SA has always been good at keeping any problems behind closed doors should they ever arise. Maybe Bruce was irritated with his inexplicable DNP's and got upset.


    I just refuse to believe Pop has gotten his head so far up his ass that he has forgotten what got him those rings in the first place.

    The Spurs really really need to go at least 7-1 the rest of the way to have any momentum going into the playoffs or else they will be a first round casualty.

    Well, it's certainly possible that almost being dealt to the Clippers irked Bruce.

    It's not exactly hard to believe that being rumored as part of a trade, not to mention actually being a part of one that fell apart, might have some impact on the ownership-management-coach-player relationship.

    Malik's contract was hung around his neck from the day he signed it in SA. That certainly had an impact on the old player-coach relationship.

    I'm not sure why it should be much of a surprise that the Spurs' propensity to make personnel moves motivated, or at least colored, by financial concerns should impact actual coaching decisions.

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    There's still a chance for him to improve but so far his at ude and fit on the team is that of the bigman version of Ron Mercer.
    Anything specific? Given that assessment, is it too early to presume whether the Spurs are souring on Gooden this soon?

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    I admit I haven't read every Monroe/McDonald article, but why isn't anyone ASKING the team what is going on with Bowen, Hill, etc.? Doesn't anyone have an inside source?

    While I find the Dallas Cowboys media coverage to be overbearing at times, at least you get answers in situations like this.

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    I admit I haven't read every Monroe/McDonald article, but why isn't anyone ASKING the team what is going on with Bowen, Hill, etc.? Doesn't anyone have an inside source?

    While I find the Dallas Cowboys media coverage to be overbearing at times, at least you get answers in situations like this.
    +1

    See my post earlier in this thread.

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    People may eyeroll a bit on this, but I really believe something may have happened between Pop and Bruce behind closed doors. For all the talk about Pop sacrificing defense for offense, there is just no way he leaves Bruce to rot on the bench like this. Bruce may be near the end of his career but he's still easily the best perimeter defender we have (the second best of which, Mr. George Hill is also struggling for playing time).

    I know it sounds crazy but SA has always been good at keeping any problems behind closed doors should they ever arise. Maybe Bruce was irritated with his inexplicable DNP's and got upset.


    I just refuse to believe Pop has gotten his head so far up his ass that he has forgotten what got him those rings in the first place.
    I don't find your notion far-fetched in the least. Bowen's minutes just vanished. And of course, Pop will never, ever divulge why. Bowen's been a pro and has certainly the right for a graceful exit and certainly deserved PT ahead of Finley.

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    We are not winning anything because bruce is not coming back. If we don't win anything, it won't be because bruce is not coming back, timmy slowing down, maybe...,manu not able to slash reclessly anymore sure...tony shooting 35 times a night in the playoffs slight possibility...but not winning anything because bruce is not coming back
    Bowen's defensive impact on the perimeter is as big as any member of the Big 3. If you disagree then you haven't watched much Spurs basketball over the past 7 years.

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    I don't find your notion far-fetched in the least. Bowen's minutes just vanished. And of course, Pop will never, ever divulge why. Bowen's been a pro and has certainly the right for a graceful exit and certainly deserved PT ahead of Finley.
    I understand that Bruce's absence on the court makes it seem like something had to have happened with he and Pop, but they both seem so level-headed and easygoing its hard for me to imagine something like that happened and continues to be a problem to the point that Pop isn't playing Bowen.

    Do you really think Bowen complained about his minutes? Half-assed it in practice? I just don't see it.

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    I understand that Bruce's absence on the court makes it seem like something had to have happened with he and Pop, but they both seem so level-headed and easygoing its hard for me to imagine something like that happened and continues to be a problem to the point that Pop isn't playing Bowen.

    Do you really think Bowen complained about his minutes? Half-assed it in practice? I just don't see it.
    No, and he's been very humble about his decrease in PT in interviews and what not, but somehow it feels like he's gotten himself into doghouse moreso than him simply not playing up to par. He's still a highly effective player on this team.

    Maybe Bowen will get some quality PT in the next game against Indy (and maybe moreso against Cleveland) and Pop will revert to keeping Bowen with solid minutes, but the way it looks right now, something isn't right.

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    I think Bowen has gotten somewhat of a raw deal, and playing Finley so much is ridiculous, however in all of this I do think Bowen has regressed some as a player. Again, I agree that he's been shafted as of late, especially given how much Finely is always allowed to play, but I don't want to make Bowen out to be a messiah that is going to save the team if he does get to play. He'll improve our chances without a doubt, but the team still has areas it needs to improve to become a legit championship contender.

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    yeah but at this point, rest leads to rust. Bowen gone. Just say thank you, goodbye and see ya in mighty Bruce
    i don't agree. bowen has looked pretty sharp on defense in recent games when pop put him on the floor.

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    Bowen's defensive impact on the perimeter is as big as any member of the Big 3. If you disagree then you haven't watched much Spurs basketball over the past 7 years.

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    I admit I haven't read every Monroe/McDonald article, but why isn't anyone ASKING the team what is going on with Bowen, Hill, etc.? Doesn't anyone have an inside source?

    While I find the Dallas Cowboys media coverage to be overbearing at times, at least you get answers in situations like this.

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    I haven't lost my confidence that Pop was just ing around with the rotations and that Bruce will be a key playoff contributor... till then... everybody should just STFU

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    Bowen's defensive impact on the perimeter is as big as any member of the Big 3. If you disagree then you haven't watched much Spurs basketball over the past 7 years.
    My brother took me to the my 1st ABA game the first year at the old hemisfair arena. I had season tickets from the Admiral's rookie year to the year after the 2nd championship quite a few of those years as a baseline bum. For the greater part of the season the spurs have managed to be the 2nd seed in the west til this bump in the season, the majority without bruce. I have said throughout the season that pop knows what he can get from bruce so he has to integrate players he has to rely on to succeed. I hate to say it but if bruce has lost a step which is hard to say with so little playing time, but if pop believes that bruce has lost a step then he will not be effective because of his anemic, limited, not very good offensive skills. I still believe pop will play him, but that is not what I am saying. I am saying that if the spurs do not win a championship it won't be because of bruce bowen. Off to the strawberry festival.

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    Bruce will average 25+mpg in the post season. this is dumb...

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    I haven't lost my confidence that Pop was just ing around with the rotations and that Bruce will be a key playoff contributor... till then... everybody should just STFU
    +1

    That's what I keep posting, but everybody is ing........or stupid

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    Spurs prepared for the post-Bowen era by refusing to find a replacement.

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    ,we strugle to beat the Pacers and, you're happy about it?
    ,in a couple of weeks we're gonna start facing real teams in the POs.
    We can't keep playing like that.
    With Bowen in, our D will be better

    Sure, Bowen is not the Spurs D, but the other guys will follow his lead

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    I agree,but I'm not happy about this win at all.
    All the opposite,I'm really worry about it.
    But...but...the Lakers lost to the Pacers at Conseco fieldhouse this season

    We didn't

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    But...but...the Lakers lost to the Pacers at Conseco fieldhouse this season

    We didn't
    Sarcasm?

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    no


    truth

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