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That doesn't address the actual point.
Depending on Malik against Shaq is like depending on seat belts in a plane crash. It's a nice gesture and , it might even work -- but chances are you're gonna die anyway.
If we had Drob on this team we could think we'd have a chance at holding Shaq down. We don't. Rasho did a good job on Shaq last regular season. Didn't mean in the playoffs. You can say that Malik wouldn've been the answer last year, but it's just as easy to say Shaq would've killed him just like Malik admitted in the NY article.
That doesn't address the actual point.
This year, even looking at blocks alone, as a factor in controlling the paint, the facts don't lie in bpg.
.74 = Horry
.80 = Nazr
So far, what I'm seeing is guys aren't getting into the paint as much with Nazr in there and he alters shots. It's especially effective when he is paired with Timmy or Rasho.
Let's face it. The Spurs hardly controlled the lane with any of these combos:
Horry and Malik
Mass and Malik
Mass and Horry
The interior defense looks pretty good right now and in longer stretches.
I'd say coaches on different teams indicates to me that maybe, just maybe, some folks with more experience coaching in the league than you and I put together think that Malik can't slow down Shaq.
Just a hunch.
Just a note: No one does a really effective job guarding Shaq alone.
Hahahah. I made a pun.
Lol ^^^^^^^^^
BWHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!
When I get AHF, the king of all coachbashers, to sound like TPark when he's under the desk in Pop's office, I can claim total everlasting scoreboard. Aggie, you sir have kicked your own ass..........
AHF and TPark...why don't you guys grab some pine like the scrubs you are...
In case you have noticed, I am playing some Solid D on the PicNRoll of two of the most levelheaded and fundamentally sound posters on the forum...
You two don't have a chance so please take a seat and let the MVP candidates duke it out...well, I should say...let two of the candidates get the pimpslapping they've got coming for being on the wrong side of Malik Rose...and the let the true MVP strut his stuff.
More like a night on the town at Phil 'n Busters.
jk
Hey, I'll give you that Nazr is blocking shots better this year...forget what he is doing with the Spurs...overall he's blocking nearly a shot per game...
But what you overlook is blocks to PF ratio...and Nazr is awful in that category...yes he gets .24 more blocks per game, he also picks up nearly a foul more per game.
I bet if you asked Duncan he'd give you a different answer...Robert Horry is 10 times the defensive player Nazr Mohammed is, even at this stage...ask Duncan. And it's not like Horry is a midget...he's 6'10...just like Mohammed.So far, what I'm seeing is guys aren't getting into the paint as much with Nazr in there and he alters shots. It's especially effective when he is paired with Timmy or Rasho.
All this because of Nazr Mohammed?Let's face it. The Spurs hardly controlled the lane with any of these combos:
Horry and Malik
Mass and Malik
Mass and Horry
The interior defense looks pretty good right now and in longer stretches.
I think it's got more to do with Rasho's inspired play since the trade. He's the guy that's been anchoring our D lately.
Shaq aside, Horry looks good some nights...other nights he doesn't...but he's been that way his entire career...he's also d'ed up on Tim Duncan better than anyone IMO.
Nazr? I haven't see him do anything I'd qualify as actually playing D...I've seen him pick up fouls and be big...I expect it to improve...that is something the Spurs will do...but I don't know if he's going to play good enough D to get past Rasho...especially with Rasho trying.
But if we are talking defense, bwteen Nazr and Horry, for this year I'd still prefer Horry(unless we are talking about Shaq, then I think I'd rather have anyone, including Earl Boykins)...
Whott, your whole problem is the only one who is saying that you are right is yourself (well, at least until LJ comes along).
The other problem is this stupid ass straw man argument you've got going on. No one has proclaimed Nazr the next Wilt, except for you.
What we have done is say that Nazr >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rose, and you don't have a leg to stand on (outside of your cute little NY Knick bulletin board bull ).
* Nazr rebounds better than Rose
* Nazr blocks more shots/is more of a shot blocking threat to opponents than Rose
* Nazr doesn't suffocate the Spurs offense and kill the ball movement like Rose did
* Nazr gets his points on the offensive glass, not by taking jump shots or trying to go one on the other team's entire front line and get his stuffed
* simply put, Nazr is much taller and a legitimate NBA center (and plays like it)
* the Spurs don't lose any interior presence with Nazr on the court, you can't say the same for Rose - simply put, teams didn't look inside and say "oh , Rose is in there, I better not try and take it inside, I've got a good chance of getting blocked. Can't say the same for Nazr." Nazr already has four times as many blocks here with SA as Rose has up in NY, again with more playing time for Rose.
* Forget the stats for a minute, I haven't seen anyone go over Nazr's back for a rebound since he got here, it happened all the time to Malik
Here's another kicker: Rose is getting the PT he didn't get here up in NY, and Nazr still has better numbers in less minutes.
Nazr is already a better interior presence and player than Malik ever was or ever will be. And once his game is further developed courtesy the Spurs coaching staff, there will not be a comparison. NOTE: I am not saying he is going to be Kareem, or Wilt, or Dave in his prime, just that our interior game will be significantly stronger with Nazr than it could ever be with Rose.
Spare me the whole varsity/MVP rhetoric, when the only league you're capable of playing in regarding this discussion is Pop Warner.
A blocks to PF ratio? Are you keeping a straight face?
I like Robert Horry and the little things he does so let's not detract from the point.
The Spurs have given themselves a better ability to control the paint by adding Nazr.
But what you overlook is blocks to PF ratio..Yeah, that's how they measure all the great ones. Holy , talking about reaching for a stat to try and justify your position.
"He's got a great block to foul ratio, he's going to the Hall."
tell you what, I'll give you that dumbass blocks/PF ratio. Nazr's is still four times higher than Rose's is.
Someone call Upper Deck, they need to add a new stat to the back of the cards.
Recount the MVP ballots, the voters aren't factoring in blocks/PFs.
I just did some checking whott, Rose has also got a better turnovers per technical foul call average than Nazr, so I guess you got me - Rose is definitely better than Nazr.
Oh oh, I got a couple of laughing boys here...
It just so happens that blocks to PF ratio is a tracked stat and they have it at ESPN as well as other stat sites.
If you guys were on the cutting edge of statistical analysis like myself you probably wouldn't be getting embarrassed in this argument like you now are.
Solid D...I am very disappointed in you. I generally have had respect for your statistical knowledge and classified you as a reputable stathead...Obviously I was over-rating you.
AHF OTOH...he's a graduate of A&M so any field of mathematics requiring more knowledge than 0+0 or requiring you to use your toes probably kicks his ass and will continue to do so.
Take a mental leap...figure out that anyone can try and block shots...not everyone can do it without picking up beaucoup fouls, hence...a shotblocker...I think that has got something to do with why Nazr doesn't consider himself to be a shotblocker.
AHF, I'll be back in a bit to clean up that large mess you puked onto my thread...but for now let's just say...you are right on one thing...Nazr is a better shotblocker than Malik.
Seriously, show me the relevance of shot blocks/PF pertaining to winning oh I don't know, the last 10 NBA championships, and I'm listening.
Until then it's just some obscure stat that you are clinging to in order to sound anything less than a complete idiot on this subject.
I enjoy the Aggie dig, I guess it's all you have to hang your hat on (outside that block/PF ratio, I mean).
I've got to go to bed, Whottt. It's been fun for a while but until another day....be careful. I don't want you to get separation anxiety from reality.
^^^
No .
Whottt has yet to post a coherent post how Malik is better other than
Aggie is like T Park under pop's desk blah blah blah.
Id say Aggie has won the arguement since Whottt is lowering himself to such childish BS.
Props Aggie.
As always you make the most sense of anyone.
The question of who is better, statistically or otherwise, is, was, and will continue to be moot. Anyone unaware of Pop's flagging confidence in Malik over the past few years hasn't got the benefit of a brain. The choice here wasn't between Nazr and Rose, it was between a player who'd lost his coach's confidence and one who might actually get the chance to play. Whatever else might be true of Pop, his opinions don't seem to change. Nazr, I think, is about as good as we were going to get in trade for someone so obviously out of favor....
One small problem. Malik's per 48 minute fouls is higher than Nazr's.Hey, I'll give you that Nazr is blocking shots better this year...forget what he is doing with the Spurs...overall he's blocking nearly a shot per game...
But what you overlook is blocks to PF ratio...and Nazr is awful in that category...yes he gets .24 more blocks per game, he also picks up nearly a foul more per game.
I think any conversation about who is better or how Nazr has played so far can not be taken too seriously considered how few games he has played for the Spurs. Then add to that the fact that he was slightly injured during the first games and may still be feeling those effects.
But Nazr's ratio is 4 times better than Malik's. What's your point?But what you overlook is blocks to PF ratio...and Nazr is awful in that category.
He's in the top 50 in every block category that actually matters, and he blocks shots at a higher rate than Kevin Garnett. It really doesn't matter how many angels are dancing on the head of your pin (or your pinhead, whatever), Nazr is going to block some shots for this team.
Attenttion: All future posters in this thread. If you feel inclined to engage in the shotblocking/PF percentage sidebar debate between whottt and Solid D, please take note of the fact that debate was about Horry vs Nazr, not Malik Rose vs Nazr, lest you come off looking stupid like the last 2 or 3 posters.
Witness the following quote by whottt in response to the first attempt to change the subject by the Rose haters :but for now let's just say...you are right on one thing...Nazr is a better shotblocker than Malik.
Now that you Einsteins have given us a fine example of your observational powers....anything else you'd like to add on the irrelevant, redundant, pointless and totally uncontested subject of Malik Rose's shotblocking vs Nazr's?
I don't think that horse is quite dead enough yet....so by all means keep beating.
How is Malik Rose's shotblocking vs Nazr's UNCONTESTED, from what I've seen in the past month that isn't quite true is it lol. Just giving the horse its last rites hehehe.
OH LOOK, ITS MOVING!!! *THUMP*
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