TP/Hill/?(Williams)
Mason/Manu/?(Hairston)
Finley/Gist/?
TD/Bonner/?
KT/Mahinmi/Oberto
Looking at the contracts and with the 2010 plan in mind, that's the likely roster, and it was by design that we have no first round pick but 3 seconds this year so that we don't have to take on another salary unless one of the second rounders shines.
http://hoopshype.com/salaries/san_antonio.htm
Then in the 2010 offseason we will attempt to sign a max FA and Splitter.
If you think about it, apart from the Scola debacle (which was mainly caused by the US $ tanking which kept Splitter in Europe), the FO have actually set things up about as well as you could ask: we integrate 3-4 youngsters next year, resign Manu to play out his career with Tim (2 years 16mil or somesuch), then bring in an FA and Splitter. We end up with a much younger core to take over the reigns as TD and Manu fade out. It'll be a bumpy ride until 2011 as we integrate all the youth into the team, but it makes more sense than any other course at this point.
The big questions are:
1) can we resign Manu for a reasonable sum to play here until Tim retires in 2012?
2) will Pop actually PLAY the youngsters the FO is feeding him? It's time for him to become a development coach.
3) who can we lure here in 2010?
PS Sheed is 35 and fading. AI has lost a step would not fit here anyway (too much ego). It surprises me that people still want to bring in old guys ready for the glue factory! Time to go with youth and take a few lumps along the way - old will not win in the NBA any more. It has become an athlete's league, so it's time to go with youth.
Thanks for the list. I believe Finley will use his player option but we still have 3 open roster spots with Oberto, Udoka, and Vaughn departing.
I like Ronnie Price as a backup point. He plays defense, can get to the basket, and his jump shot is much improved.
Ariza is my dream for a sf replacement but someone like Luc Mbah A Moute might be more realistic.
I like McDyess and Nestervic as pf/c replacements.
I doubt all that can be done but those are choices I like.
TP/Hill/?(Williams)
Mason/Manu/?(Hairston)
Finley/Gist/?
TD/Bonner/?
KT/Mahinmi/Oberto
Looking at the contracts and with the 2010 plan in mind, that's the likely roster, and it was by design that we have no first round pick but 3 seconds this year so that we don't have to take on another salary unless one of the second rounders shines.
http://hoopshype.com/salaries/san_antonio.htm
Then in the 2010 offseason we will attempt to sign a max FA and Splitter.
If you think about it, apart from the Scola debacle (which was mainly caused by the US $ tanking which kept Splitter in Europe), the FO have actually set things up about as well as you could ask: we integrate 3-4 youngsters next year, resign Manu to play out his career with Tim (2 years 16mil or somesuch), then bring in an FA and Splitter. We end up with a much younger core to take over the reigns as TD and Manu fade out. It'll be a bumpy ride until 2011 as we integrate all the youth into the team, but it makes more sense than any other course at this point.
The big questions are:
1) can we resign Manu for a reasonable sum to play here until Tim retires in 2012?
2) will Pop actually PLAY the youngsters the FO is feeding him? It's time for him to become a development coach.
3) who can we lure here in 2010?
PS Sheed is 35 and fading. AI has lost a step would not fit here anyway (too much ego). It surprises me that people still want to bring in old guys ready for the glue factory! Time to go with youth and take a few lumps along the way - old will not win in the NBA any more. It has become an athlete's league, so it's time to go with youth.
here's my perspective..
KEEPERS
Tim Duncan
Tony Parker
That's it..these are the only guys that I expect and want to see on the roster without question for 2009-2010..luckily, we have the luxury of having 2 franchise players..hopefully Duncan can get healthy for next year..
We want you..but we'll listen to offers
Manu Ginobili
Roger Mason
George Hill
I hope we see Mason and Hill back with the Spurs next year, and I expect it to happen..but obviously if a good deal comes up, I would take it..
as for Manu, I'm tired of him..I love what he's done for the Spurs, but I can't deal with his injuries anymore..he has a 10 million $ expiring contract that can be used to acquire some good talent, or acquire a great player on a bad contract..it's unlikely that the Spurs will trade him, but I hope they do..I hope they at least listen to the offers..
Get the out of here..expiring contracts
Ime Udoka
Jacque Vaughn
Vaughn is obviously a given, and he will be gone without question..I just hope the FO doesn't re-sign Ime..he hasn't made any improvements since coming here, and he doesn't give us anything useful..
We would like you to leave, but we'll need to package you all together
Fabricio Oberto
Kurt Thomas
Matt Bonner
Bruce Bowen
These 4 guys are all expiring contracts for next year's off-season..they can definitely be used to acquire a good player(s) on a bad contract, especially with so many teams trying to save up for 2010..
Bowen is the only guy I would take back for the vets minimum and have him play spot minutes once in a while as our 12th man..
We would like you to leave..but Pop would kills us
Michael Finley
Obviously he has a player option..I wonder who's idea that was..
Please get healthy..please improve your J..please show Pop something
Ian Mahinmi
Malik Hairston
Marcus Williams
James Gist
It would save this team a lot of money if 2 of these 4 guys could make the 12-man next year..particularly Ian, since we've been waiting on it..this would allow us to take back a big-name player on a bad contract, and save some money by paying these guys with a cheap scrub contract..
Hill will be the backup point. Kunta Kinte could be a possibility, but then the Spurs would likely use the MLE for him so forget about McDyess. And how much longer does Dice have anyways?
trading manu pretty much kills the spurs championship chances in the duncan era.
i just dont see a feasible trade that would get us equal return for manu.
Spurs aren't dealing Manu.
Harlem, try looking at the existing contracts - they are a good guide as to what can and cannot happen next year. For example, we cannot "resign Bowen for the vet min" as he is already on the books for 4mil (whether we like it or not), as are Mason, Finley, KT, Bonner, Oberto (although hopefully he will retire due to the heart condition).
Also, in general, we don't want to turn over the entire team, that is ludicrous. Integrating 3-4 young players per year is about the most you can do and still win enough games to keep the fans happy, which is what our FA has been doing all along, and to their credit doing it well. They are trying to avoid the boom-bust cycle of winning then crashing that we saw from the post-Magic Lakers and post-Michael Bulls by assembling a young core to support TP as Timmy and Manu fade out over the next few years.
Anyways, the Spurs need to replenish the supporting cast, not find another star. It looks like the Lux Tax threshold will be such that the Spurs can use their entire MLE this summer and not go over it. Of course, they need Ginobili to get healthy, which may be asking too much. But they do have prospects and their MLE to work with. I think the larger question is will Pop take the time to work some of the younger talent into the rotation?
1 - We'll win game 5
2 - Win or lose this series. Keep the big 4 + Hill. The rest of the team I don't care. If we can get ride off all those players and bring new guys do it
I meant sign Bowen for the minimum after we trade him to a team that waives him, which was supposed to happen his year if the VC trade went through..
I already went through the existing contracts..Manu, Thomas, Bonner, Oberto, Bowen, and Finley are all expiring for 2010..if you package some of these contracts in a deal, there is a very strong possibility of getting something in return..almost half the teams in the NBA are looking at 2010, and we should deal with some of these teams..
I don't want to blow the whole team up..the core of the team will remain intact..this system is completely centered around the big 3, and they will be here next year..everyone else has a chance of being dealt, and it won't affect the team significantly IMO..
The other thing I would start to do is try to play TD/Manu about 60 games a year. TD's knees are degenerative, and Manu's body is tired, so give these guys much more rest to prolong their careers. That would also free up more time for the youngsters. It'd cost us some wins, but we have to think about 2011 and beyond because the Big 3 plus a bunch of old vets simply won't get it done any more - we have entered the era of athleticism, time to get with it.
Well even disregarding the era of athleticism, we would have to get athletic either way..just for the fact that 3 of our big 4 are too old to be consistently dominant at what they do..
Duncan is still a great defender, but at his age, he can't patrol the paint on his own anymore..Bowen can still play great D for 10-15 minutes a game, but he can't do it on his own..
Pop's system is still effective..we ranked 5th defensively this year, despite starting 4 bad defenders next to Duncan..with some young talent to compliment our big 3, our D can easily go back to the top..
Pop needs to get back to the principles though..build with D-first..
ruff
ginoboli aint fkn worth 8m a season or 16/2 watever you wanna him to resign for, i dont believe in loyalty contracts when he d up on this team for 3 straight seasons with injuries sustain from international duties.
mahinmi im tired of him, and the chances teh team has given him....would prefer to move on but the spurs have invested so much in him they cant pull out cause they want their ROE back.
tiaggo splitter we see how his contract goes with his current team, b4 we pull the plug on him like we did too scola
sanikidz, gists, hill should be our main priorities now and the future....
Agree. Manu isn't worth 8 mil/yr. Also agree that his loyalty is to the Spurs 2nd and Argentina 1st. That isn't bad, since that is his country. But the fact is he has been payed a lot of money by the Spurs. I don't think they "owe" him anything. I do love Manu though--- his Auto hangs on my wall. i would think 10-12 mil/2 yr. would be fair.
Also- isn't there a chance Manu will finish his career in Europe? he could make more and work less.
Start by getting rid of Bonner so Popovich won't be tempted to rely on him again.
Ginobili will be interesting - no idea how that will play out. The 16mil for 2 years was just a guess.ruff
ginoboli aint fkn worth 8m a season or 16/2 watever you wanna him to resign for, i dont believe in loyalty contracts when he d up on this team for 3 straight seasons with injuries sustain from international duties.
mahinmi im tired of him, and the chances teh team has given him....would prefer to move on but the spurs have invested so much in him they cant pull out cause they want their ROE back.
tiaggo splitter we see how his contract goes with his current team, b4 we pull the plug on him like we did too scola
sanikidz, gists, hill should be our main priorities now and the future....
You're tired of Mahinmi, boo-hoo. The kid is 22 with huge upside and hasn't even had a shot yet, but you want to give up on him - glad you're not the GM. Big men take time to develop, and he's been injured, so why anyone is frustrated with him is beyond me... oh, no, that's right, because most fans these days are all about the me!me!me, now!now!now!.
Splitter will come over in 2010, I'm confident of that given the revelation that we'll be able to sign him to more than a rookie contract (see recent thread about him).
Of this list, I hope the Spurs sign Jason Hart, Devin Brown, Anthony Tolliver, Marvin Ely, and Rasho Nesterovic.
Mahinmi isn't getting paid anything significant..there's really no reason to give up on him..
I would like to see any of these guys on the spurs
Ronnie Price (Jazz)
Trevor Ariza (Fakers)
Luc Mbah A Moute (Bucks)
Matt Barnes (Suns)
Chris Andersen (Nuggets)
Pops Mensa Bonsu (Raptors)
i'm sure instead they'll sign some washed up 32 year old
I really hope Hairston can add a J to his game, that would really make a huge difference..that's the easiest part to add with some repe ion and coaching, so it's realistic to think that he could do it in the off-season..
if he can do that, and Gist comes over, that would save this team a lot of $ to fill a huge need at the 3..
Some way, some how we need to dump Bonner, Vaughn, Oberto, Thomas, Udoka, Finley, Mason and even Hill if Pop is going to be his hardheaded old self and not play the kid. Pop is the best at giving up on players who are not at least 50 years old and it is really hurting the Spurs franchise. Holt needs to set Pop down and thank him for the 4 trophy's but, let him know this is a business and we are on the verge of becoming a Lottery team. Wait! That ain't such a bad idea. David!!! Timmy!!! Who will be savior #3 ???
New coach please!!
Thats the same pop will be spewing. I am so tired of bring in the "crafty" veteran crap. And give an extension to "good guy" players aka bonner,fab,finley. If hes athletic they dont want any part of that. I would look at signing drew at least hes young, he doesnt get punked, hes athletic. Gotta make the bench better, saying all that, gone!
Much agreed, I don't give a if you feed the homeless on the weekends or read books to kids, let's get athletic, young, maybe a little thugish, WIN!
If the Twin Towers were made of what is in hardheaded Pop's head they would have never come down. Every coach and player in the NBA has figured out Pop and his system. Pop is like another great coach, Tom Landry. When you're in something for a long time it gets harder and harder to change. Pop has had lots of athletic players come through the door only for him to show them the backdoor.
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