Death threats against Michael Schiavo

[Drachen]

Well, for one, I too am horrified that anyone would be wrongly put to death but, I am not willing to throw the baby out with the bathwater and just discontinue capital punishment wholesale. I believe capital punishment, with it's flaws, has prevented exponentially more innocents from dying than its killed. So, let's fix it.

But, on the other hand, there can be no argument that Mrs. Schiavo (never having been tried for a capital offense) and all unborn children are innocent. 100% of them.

Yet you are willing to throw the "baby out with the bathwater" in Mrs. Schaivo's case even though many courts have ruled that this is what she wanted. Is there are chance for error? Yes, just like in the death-penalty cases. Now again, why do you believe the courts when someone is charged with a crime, but you dont believe them in this case?

[The Ressurrected One]

And Terri's soul goes to Heaven, correct? It's a win/win in my book.

So, let's just kill everyone and all go to heaven then. That's a win/win/win ad infinitum...

[Guru of Nothing]

So, let's just kill everyone and all go to heaven then. That's a win/win/win ad infinitum...

Of course!!

... unless deep down you heart is telling you that everlasting life in heaven is just a bunch of bull .

[ChumpDumper]

I would have to say "snap!"

[The Ressurrected One]

Yet you are willing to throw the "baby out with the bathwater" in Mrs. Schaivo's case even though many courts have ruled that this is what she wanted.

I don't see how you perceive that as "throwing the baby out with the bathwater" and courts are fallible. Arguably, condemned prisoners have many, many, many more opportunities to plead their case in court before they are finally executed. In the case of Mrs. Schiavo, it's been 7 years.

Is there are chance for error? Yes, just like in the death-penalty cases.

What are the consequences of not killing Terri Schiavo? There aren't any.

What were the consequences of not killing Kenneth McDuff when he was on death row in the 60's only to have that commuted and eventually be released by the courts? Well, at least two other murders -- probably more.

Now again, why do you believe the courts when someone is charged with a crime, but you dont believe them in this case?

I didn't say I didn't "believe" them. I merely stated there are no reasons to rush to kill this woman before all options -- every last one -- are exhausted -- we would do no less for a serial killer.

[Drachen]

I don't see how you perceive that as "throwing the baby out with the bathwater" and courts are fallible. Arguably, condemned prisoners have many, many, many more opportunities to plead their case in court before they are finally executed. In the case of Mrs. Schiavo, it's been 7 years.

What are the consequences of not killing Terri Schiavo? There aren't any
.

Not following her wishes as to what to do with her life.

What were the consequences of not killing Kenneth McDuff when he was on death row in the 60's only to have that commuted and eventually be released by the courts? Well, at least two other murders -- probably more.

I didn't say I didn't "believe" them. I merely stated there are no reasons to rush to kill this woman before all options -- every last one -- are exhausted -- we would do no less for a serial killer

So instead of killing the death row inmates why dont we, as you say, "fix the system" and make it so that when you are sentenced to life in prison, you actually get life.

As far as rushing to kill this woman, all appeals have been exhausted as allowed under the law. Why isnt Bush signing into federal law orders that allow specific death row inmates "just one more appeal"? I dont know, my answer, neither should have happend.

[The Ressurrected One]

Not following her wishes as to what to do with her life.

You don't know what her wishes are.

So instead of killing the death row inmates why dont we, as you say, "fix the system" and make it so that when you are sentenced to life in prison, you actually get life.

I'm for that. But, I think there's still a place for capital punishment.

As far as rushing to kill this woman, all appeals have been exhausted as allowed under the law.

She wasn't sentenced for a crime. Civil appeals and recourse never "exhaust."

Why isnt Bush signing into federal law orders that allow specific death row inmates "just one more appeal"? I dont know, my answer, neither should have happend.

I too disagreed with the federal attempt at intevention in this case. But, I suppose if President Bush felt strongly enough or, if the majority in Congress felt strongly enough, about a particular death row case -- they'd do just that. And, it'd be wrong then too.

[samikeyp]

You're welcome. I'm betting you voted for the "nuanced" candidate, no?

Welcome for what...you didn't thank me for anything. not sure who the nuanced candidate is but I voted for Bush.

At least my position would save innocent life.

How? Its ok to shoot abortion doctors and to want to kill someone who disagrees with you? I have no problem with killing murderers. They broke the law and the death penalty is a legal form of punishment. Michael Schiavo hasn't broken the law. Abortion doctors do not break the law if they do an abortion. As far as war goes, I support our troops and want them to have the best equipment and best chance to do their jobs and get home to their families. I didn't want them over in Iraq. Why would I want them to be in harm's way? I don't like the idea of my fellow countrymen, some of them who are my friends, being shot at or killed. Who is actually for war?

Sorry, I believe your position is more ironic than mine.

You are en led to your beliefs...you are misinterpreting mine.

[Extra Stout]

Innocents have been killed in Iraq. The lesson of the neoconservatives though is that the establishment and protection of the rule of law in Iraq protects millions of lives, and cannot be pushed aside for individuals, even though it causes individual tragedies.

Similarly, in Florida, though the laws that have brought the Schiavo case to this point suck and need to be changed, they are the current laws, and they should not be put aside. The rule of law in America protects all of us, and we must never give the executive the ability to set aside laws in individual cases. We have governors and Presidents, not kings.