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    Shoog, I agree with you on most things - but not this one. First of all, there doesn't have to be a conspiracy for bias to exist.

    Part of the Celtics re-building plan included tanking games to improve their draft for a couple of seasons. That was widely accepted even before Ryan Gomes' infamous comment to the media. Those two drafts are what allowed the Celtics to acquire Ray Allen and Kevin Garnett. It was absolute horse , and everyone knew it.

    In order for the Gasol trade to work, the Lakers had to "sign and trade" Aaron McKie, sending him to Memphis as part of the deal. In order for that to be legit, the league had to pretend that it believed Memphis really had the intention of letting McKie play for them. The story was that he would be a "player coach" with Memphis. It was absolute horse , and everyone knew it.

    As for the officiating? The Pistons won in 04 because they deserved it - but they had a much harder time getting past the Pacers and the Nets than they should - in no small part due to the officiating. The year before that, the Pistons got totally screwed by the refs in games 1 and 2 of the Eastern Finals. (Not to mention almost getting Game 6 of the semi-finals taken away from them.)

    Last season, the Celtics might not have even made it to the finals, if not for some selective zebra vision. And the same could be said for the Lakers vs. Utah in the Western Conference semis. I'm no big Jazz fan, but I thought the refs totally jobbed them out of an opportunity to advance. In both of those series, one team could do no wrong. That may not point to a conspiracy, but it was sure as biased.

    I don't even want to talk about the Spurs '06 semi-finals series against the Mavericks. But I will say that as bad as that was, the Dallas vs. Miami finals was probably worse. I'm not saying conspiracy. But bias? Damn betcha.

    This year, I'm looking at some of the calls that went against the Rockets and having a hard time watching any more NBA games. I'm sick of watching the Lakers' bigs camp in the paint, and hack guys across the arms when they drive, and no whistles. I'm sick of watching Odom and Bynum "flash out" and belly-bump opposing guards damn near to the mid-court line. (And Varejao/Ilgauskas doing the same thing for Cleveland.)

    And why did the league rescind Kobe's 6th technical foul? As rough as that series, and that game had been, they had every reason to T him up for the head butt. You know the answer. It got rescinded because it's Kobe. If that's not bias, what would it take?

    Don't just dismiss every comment as conspiracy theory. I'm not saying that there is a wide spread conspiracy. But I don't believe that all the players and teams are being measured by the same yardstick. That's bias. And sometimes it only takes a teeny bit of that to tip a game or a series - intentional or not.
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    You hit the nail on the head.

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    The reason that the Magic are up 3-1 and the Spurs have 4 championships are the same. They're hard teams to rig against because of their 3-pt shooting in clutch moments. When the team you're trying to rig against is raining down 3's there's nothing you can do about it. I'm not trying to detract from the Magic or the Spurs, but just pointing out that those types of teams are the hardest to rig against. The Spurs have come closer to falling prey to Stern every playoff series but has been bailed out by someone going on fire from the 3pt line during key games when they've been down. No-calls on Duncan's defender or calling touch fouls to put him in foul trouble can allow him to be shut down and the same can be said for Tony Parker on finishes to the rim, but there's not much you can really do from a referee standpoint to stop Steve Kerr or Robert Horry making it rain from downtown.

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    The Spurs won 4 rings DESPITE the conspiracy against them. That's how good Duncan is.

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    The reason that the Magic are up 3-1 and the Spurs have 4 championships are the same. They're hard teams to rig against because of their 3-pt shooting in clutch moments. When the team you're trying to rig against is raining down 3's there's nothing you can do about it. I'm not trying to detract from the Magic or the Spurs, but just pointing out that those types of teams are the hardest to rig against. The Spurs have come closer to falling prey to Stern every playoff series but has been bailed out by someone going on fire from the 3pt line during key games when they've been down. No-calls on Duncan's defender or calling touch fouls to put him in foul trouble can allow him to be shut down and the same can be said for Tony Parker on finishes to the rim, but there's not much you can really do from a referee standpoint to stop Steve Kerr or Robert Horry making it rain from downtown.

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    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZlByV...eature=related

    If you watch that video and still believe the NBA officiating isn't rigged to benefit certain teams, you need to shove a nice sharp stick up your ass and do a cannonball onto a cement slab.
    Thank you TJastal and GSH for reinforcing my previous posts (especially about the 2002 WCF and the Gasol/Garnett trades) . If the NBA is trying to drive fans away from the idea that there isn't a "conspiracy" or big market/superstar bias, they're not helping themselves out whatsoever.
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    Sterns' model since becoming commish in 84 was to expand the league into a national, and then global game. He came up with a great cap and revenue sharing system to allow small market teams to remain compe ive. Looking at the ebbs and flows of the teams in the last 25 years, he has been largely successful.

    There are a few teams that remained consistently excellent (Lakers, Spurs), and some who have remained consistently terrible (Clippers, Bucks, Hawks), but it has been shown that it was due to management more than anything else.

    So why in the world would he undermine his efforts in the last 25 years by fixing games? This runs directly contradictory to what he was trying to accomplish.

    The integrity of the game has been called in question because of the quality of referees. Do the refs have preferences to which city to ref a game, or whether they are fans of one team over the next? I am sure they do. They also yield under pressure and allow the crowd to influence calls.

    If Stern is trying to fix things, why would the Cavs win the LeBron lottery? Wouldn't Washington, GS, or NY be better choices?
    Why would the Spurs ever get Robinson AND Duncan? Wouldn't Boston and Philly be better choices in 97, and NJ, Clippers and Bulls be better in 97?
    Portland getting Oden? Orlando getting Shaq AND Webber(later swapped for Hardaway?
    LOL...i read the first two sentences and dismissed the rest of this post. I always love when posters like to explain the business models of billion dollar corporations they know nothing about.

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    I find it hard to believe so many people believe in grand conspiracies in the NBA... incompetence, yes, incompetence aplenty, but I'm convinced there is no grand conspiracy in NBA officiating or in the draft lottery.

    A much better explanation for some of the terrible crap you see going on is Bill Simmons' article last week about the officiating:

    http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2...8&sportCat=nba

    I totally agree with Simmons that the officiating is ruining the game, and what a pity that is.

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