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    Are you (we) looking for justice through retribution, or deterrence, or both?

    Taking away integrity related rights (perhaps some I am not thinking of) seems like a direct means of 'he misused it, now he has it no longer' type thinking. Putting him in a de-facto state of being beaten doesn't seem appropriate. Financially, he is ruined, which limits his de-facto freedoms.

    And if we are looking to punish him for the jobs he theoretically took, like a double technical, should he be rewarded for the exact same jobs he theoretically created? If a team loosing by a bigger margin caused jobs to be lost in 1 city, it stands to reason that a team winning winning by a bigger margin would create those same jobs.

    Both.

    He's being put in a state of POSSIBLY being beaten. In his sentence, there is no state mandated beating which must take place, otherwise they would've removed him. Wait, they did. Does he deserve it? Yes. If you try to take the lives of other people, damn right a slap on the wallet, and a light time restriction is almost a joke.

    If consequences are light, people will continue wrong doing. It isn't as though he is losing his hand for stealing. Lets be real here.

    His monetary punishment is warranted although it cannot be known his actual true gains. Additionally, he must serve for reasons already stated.

    He should be happy he isn't getting pounded in the ass.

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    I just made the case (3 or 4 times) that jobs were not lost (like in WorldCom/Enron), they just went from 1 city to another, through no fault of those cities, and which might have happened anyways.
    >>>>>>attempt<<<<<<
    If you think that someone shouldn't go to "Pound you in the ass" prison for attempting to steal the livelihood of many individuals, then that's your opinion.

    His attempt to damage these individuals is all that matters. It's like "attempted (insert other crimes here)" that result in punishment.

    The revenue sharing etc is irrelevant if you look at it in this light.

    If I attempted to lift the integrity, monetary gain (present and future), and longevity of your business i'm sure you'd be singing a much different tune.

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    I have to go workout. I'll be back to continue this later.

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    You don't lie to people in prison. If he claimed he was in a New York mob, i'm surprised he didn't get killed.

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    Given some of what Donaghy threw against the wall in trying to get save his rear end during sentencing, I suspect that Donaghy's memoir will play right into the hands of the conspiracy theorists by suggesting that it offers a behind the curtain look at NBA kingmaking. As one who is disinclined to believe such theories in any event, I think the fundamental problem with what Donaghy will offer is that he's got an axe to grind and, accordingly, would seem to have little credibility. He'll throw around Game 6 of the 2002 WCF and he'll throw Bavetta out there, too. But unless he has something new to offer and unless he can source what he does offer, I think it will just be noise -- believed by those who think there's a conspiracy and disbelieved by those who don't.

    The fascinating story of NBA officiating that I still want to have developed is the story of Ted Bernhardt. Bernhardt was a fast-rising official who very quickly worked his way up to being a Finals-level official (he worked the Finals in 2002) and was among the elite offiicals in the Game until he abruptly disappeared from the NBA around the start of the 03-04 season. Bernhardt was among the officials who worked Game 6 of SAC/LAL in 2002; he also had the misfortune of calling a foul at the end of regulation of the 2003 All-Star game and denying a game-winning moment to Michael Jordan. I thought I read somewhere that Bernhardt was dealing with some "personal issues" that may have forced him away from officiating, but given his stature among officials between 2000-2003, his sudden disappearance from basketball after his participation in such an oft-questioned game and his failure to resurface after several years away strikes me as a very curious story.

    Fascinating stuff. In my mind, there seems to be so much more that needs to come out of that series and Game 6 in particular. I have a su ious feeling Stern would never really share the findings the league may/may not of found in the investigation after the Donaghy incident.

    As far as the prision beating is concerned, if you go spoutin at the mouth to G-men about anything to do with organized crime, you are gonna get hurt. It just goes to show you. The mob can get to anyone, anywhere. If Donaghy writes any kind of a memoir, he may have to go into hiding to stay alive.

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    He's got the mafia and Stern waiting for him. The guy doesn't have a chance.

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    i guess salvatore has guys on the inside

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    I have mixed feelings on Donaghy. On one hand he was a cheater and a criminal but on the other hand he proved that the NBA is rigged. I wish he would have given the names of NBA refs that are just as dirty as he was. I also thought it was funny and a little sad how much Stern tried to sweep Donaghy under the rug.

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    who the is against Tim Donaghy and defending the NBA?

    If anything Tim helped us fans finally see the corruption within the NBA that they always denied.

    Without Tim , the NBA would still be bending all of us over.

    Can't wait to read his book. He will expose everyone.
    Last edited by spurscenter; 06-11-2009 at 01:37 AM.

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    The Feds are watching this finals like a hawk. The NBA has been exposed

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    Tim Donaghy was attacked by another inmate claiming he had ties to the NY mob. Donaghy was threatened that he would be shot in the head and his knee caps would be broken. Donaghy suffered knee injuries that were confirmed via x-ray and an MRI taken 3-4 months after the attack. The attacker was removed from the facility and locked down in a higher level facility. The prison officials did not refer the attack to investigative authorities - they chose to handle it internally.

    This dude is in trouble when he gets released....

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    but on the other hand he proved that the NBA is rigged.
    I'm not sure that's true. I think that Donaghy did prove that an official who wants to can be relatively successful at manipulating games to achieve particular things and that for a time at least could do that without getting caught.

    I don't think, though, that he proved the league is itself rigged. Nothing about the Donaghy caper came from the league and there's never been any objective allegation that Donaghy's work was motivated by anything other than a self-serving desire to collect on his own bets.

    He brought up claims that come close to "rigging" allegations around the time of his sentencing, but a fairly detailed report issued after Donaghy went to prison basically found that: (1) he was citing to games that are commonly-relied upon by conspiracy theorists; and (2) there was no proof of any NBA involvement in directing outcomes. That either of those conclusions would have come up in a report is unsurprising. That Donaghy never seemed to seriously pursue those stories in his sentencing strikes me as a really good reason to question his assertions about them.

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    Here's the full article from AOL

    Former Ref Donaghy Assaulted in Prison

    Posted Jun 11, 2009 5:45PM By Brett Pollakoff (RSS feed)
    Filed Under: NBA Referees

    Tim Donaghy, the former NBA referee who had been sentenced to 15 months in federal prison for betting on basketball, is scheduled to be released on June 17. But it's not because he's served his sentence; it's because of a medical condition Donaghy now has after being attacked by a fellow inmate back in November of 2008.

    The Daily News had the original report, which cited a source close to Donaghy who gave them the story. But the follow-up reporting done by Deadspin turned up some details that were far more interesting.
    Tim Donaghy was attacked by another inmate claiming he had ties to the NY mob. Donaghy was threatened that he would be shot in the head and his knee caps would be broken. Donaghy suffered knee injuries that were confirmed via x-ray and an MRI taken 3-4 months after the attack. The attacker was removed from the facility and locked down in a higher level facility. The prison officials did not refer the attack to investigative authorities - they chose to handle it internally.
    It's kind of a shame that once people are in prison they're subjected to violence by their fellow inmates, but you know how to avoid that? By not doing things that can get you sent to prison in the first place.

    Not to make light of the situation, but we've all seen enough episodes of The Sopranos to know what happens when you get involved with less-than-legal characters -- you know, like the kind of guys that might help you make some money by illegally betting on NBA games that you're officiating, for instance. Once you get caught and start selling them out, well, things tend to end badly.

    Donaghy will serve the remainder of his sentence in a halfway house in Florida, where he'll presumably be safe from these types of attacks -- at least until he's completely released from government custody, which is scheduled to take place on October 24. Once that happens, all bets are off.

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    The NBA is rigged or at least you can say it was rigged when Donaghy was officiating games. He manipulated games that he officiated so he could make a profit. That's proof right there that the NBA was rigged when he was a ref. Stern is a dumbass when he said that the NBA is a clean sport and that Donaghy was rogue. If there's one dirty ref, then I'm sure there's several.

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    who the is against Tim Donaghy and defending the NBA?

    If anything Tim helped us fans finally see the corruption within the NBA that they always denied.

    Without Tim , the NBA would still be bending all of us over.

    Can't wait to read his book. He will expose everyone.
    Wtf? I'm against Donaghy AND the NBA. Both help to degrade the integrity of basketball (and are claiming ratings triumphs now that their darling franchises are back in the finals) with absolutely no thought about the fans.

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    The NBA is rigged or at least you can say it was rigged when Donaghy was officiating games. He manipulated games that he officiated so he could make a profit. That's proof right there that the NBA was rigged when he was a ref. Stern is a dumbass when he said that the NBA is a clean sport and that Donaghy was rogue. If there's one dirty ref, then I'm sure there's several.
    That's like saying that because one kid in a family is a criminal the others are likely to be criminals, too.

    Donaghy proved that HE could rig games. He didn't prove -- or at least hasn't yet proved -- that the league was complicit in his efforts or even that the league knew anything about it. And he certainly hasn't proven that other officials were doing similar things in calling games, regardless of motivation.

    I think people who want to believe (or choose to believe) that the NBA is rigged see Donaghy as all the proof they need. But there's no logical connection between an official who gambled on games and an overt effort by the league itself to ensure certain outcomes, which is what saying "the NBA is rigged" implies to me.

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