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    Nick Young is a good player and I would surmise potentially great player. Watching the Wiz last year he was the player they went to in the clutch and performed very well. With TD, TP and Nick that's a great core and bodes well for the future. I would love Nick Young on my team anyday.

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    KINGDOM COME


    I am a King of one, subject to none but
    I
    and I
    My
    Eyes pregnant with visages of players to a throne
    Pretenders who have shown, their souls turn like a basketball

    A revolution.

    I am the last left standing, the original prophet
    My mons pubis is braided like Anubis before me
    And now nobody can ignore me, score on me
    I fill the lane with brains,
    Reading futures in the stains
    On my game worns.

    Now I look upon my culture,
    I see ballers, sure I do
    Hard corers in Haute Couture, in furs
    Enough to make my ancestry - stir

    My brothers among me,
    Kwame a black walnut tree,
    Lorenzo in his Benzo, give Stevie Blake his Vitamin D
    Gheorghe, the Great White Way,
    My endocrine Giant is dying on the parquet

    My soldier in hardwood war, Haywood
    I ask: "What sound is made from the clapping of one small hand?"
    A heart bigger that the prostate gland
    of Abe
    Honest, Master Pollin, an ego so kingly swollen, let me go,
    Because the Foggy Bottom Metro is still an underground railroad


    A time now of No kings,
    No bling bling, a dawn for champions
    -Rings.

    Upon a time I was the first born here
    In a time when King Hidi had
    a taste for rookie ery and chocolate fleece,
    he held the locker room lease. Then in a day
    to Phoenix, his reign nixed,
    I showered for the first time in peace.

    And then the King of Kings came to town
    Riding on devils pacts, the backs of mules.
    He brought his Airs(tm),
    his nostalgic cloths, he filled arenas with the moths
    Of decay
    With a lady of white at his side
    Knaefel,
    comma, K.

    Now they gave Mike a motor bike. "Ride away ride away"
    But no ride can hold old men's pride
    So with a wince, The Frog fired the Prince.

    It was once wrote that
    Of this traveler from an antique land
    Two vast and balky legs of stone
    Stand in the desert. Near them, on the sand,
    Grand, half sunk, a shattered visage lies, whose frown,
    And wrinkled lip, and sneer of cold command,

    "My name is Michael, King of Kings:
    Look upon my works, ye gots, and despair!"

    Nothing beside remains.
    Round the decay
    Of that colossal wreck, boundless and bare,
    The lone and level sands stretch far away.

    But the devil, the King, he is not a man.
    Rather,
    Its an Association
    That cuts the checks,
    So I kneel and look this devil in the eye.

    And say:
    I will honor my ancestors, for I am the hiphop poet,
    the last poet,
    And there will be
    Another last poet
    After me

    And as I drop my knowledge, my backpack rap
    At a Republic Gardens slam, it is your soft white daughters
    who swallow it all
    At what price?
    A two drink minimum and I think:

    Now who are you calling slave?

    Who is King
    And who the Knave?

    -Etan Thomas

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    He has played his heart and soul out and left it all out on the floor in the past but would he take a contract cut when his current one expires, the way Duncan did for Tony, to get new talent? You have to weigh your business options, I think they did a of a job without him most of the year, for what its worth. Give me half of all his talents and we make it to at least the conference finals. We relied on spot-up only guys we needed half of the other half (creating your own offense). Give me a young slasher dasher to play along side Tim & Tony. Simply put, We have got to get away from relying on 3 years of International experience, they have heart but also a lot of miles.

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    Young is intriguing and even the 5th pick could be intriguing if they manage to get Harden ... although the draft is really weak. It depends on the FO if the Spurs want to stay compe ive but not on the top level then this deal could be nice. If the Spurs like to win another le within the next few years it's a nobrainer to keep Manu.

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    Gotta love how delusional Spurs fan keep telling themselves only if Manu was healthy. In reality Manu was healthy enough to play heavy minutes in that series, at full speed, including a 30 point game. And the Spurs were still curb stomped into oblivion in 5 games by a Lakers team without their starting center and shooting forward.
    Curb stomped my ass. The Spurs gave you game 1 and we should have won game 4 too. So even with Manu injured the series could have easily gone 6 or 7.

    You didn't b stomp .

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    Im not against trading Manu - i dont think the team can afford to bank their contending status on him being healthy for an entire season. With Tim's effectiveness slowly on the way down, i think trading him might be the best way to go.

    Having said that, you want a proven commodity in return, in additions to a young piece and/or draft pick. This deal doesnt give you that, and the Spurs probably wont find one that will given Manu's recent injury history.

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    MJ and Etan are nearly done for their careers so they don't count in this trade, nor does Oberto whose career is also around the end. Regardless of the fillers, this trade is pretty much of a 1 for 2 trade. Manu USED to be a great player but his age and injury both forbid him to play like the young and healthy Manu, and his career is also in its dusk considering his injuries and age. Nick Young is capable to play at SF and SG, which enables him to take a starting spot from Fin who has long been deprecated by spurs fans, not to mention Young has pretty much room to go upside. the 5th pick would bring Spurs even more talent than what Young has, so this propasol is definitely a great one for Spurs team.

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    Young is intriguing and even the 5th pick could be intriguing if they manage to get Harden ... although the draft is really weak. It depends on the FO if the Spurs want to stay compe ive but not on the top level then this deal could be nice. If the Spurs like to win another le within the next few years it's a nobrainer to keep Manu.
    I dont think you take Harden with Young in the deal. I'd say the Spurs, if the deal was made, would go with either Jordan Hill or maybe even Austin Daye, although that could be a reach. Maybe even Dermar Derozan since hes a solid 6'7" with a huge wingspan and standing reach - he could play SF easily.

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    Depends on Mason's future though. But you make a good point - if this happens going for Harden would not be the right way.

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    dudes for real you don't trade manu it won't matter if we will get the 5 pick beacuse he wil never be as good as manu.... manu is 100% now and he will be good next season!

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    It looks like Spurs FO is being very active this summer.
    They have maybe made an offer to Bourousis, they try to move up in the draft as high as #5 and they have done a lot of workouts for the draft.

    It makes me relatively optimistic that Spurs will be able to improve significantly the team for next year.
    True, but as long as the front office throws up the crucifix at the sight of the luxury tax threshold then that improvement will be limited.

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    http://www.fannation.com/truth_and_r...orks?eref=sihp

    "The Wizards are said to have an offer for Manu Ginobili on the table, but the details are not known. A deal that makes a lot of sense for both sides is a swap that consists of Mike James, Etan Thomas, the fifth pick in this year's draft, and Nick Young for Ginobili and Fabricio Oberto. Nick Young would provide the Spurs with the promising young shooting guard they tried to acquire in J.R. Smith and with the fifth pick they could go a number of different ways. Jordan Hill or DeMar DeRozan would look awfully nice in a Spurs' uniform."

    Who the F is Etan Thomas??
    Thomas and James are both throw-ins who's contracts end next year. The meat of this trade is Nick Young and the #5 overall pick.

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    dudes for real you don't trade manu it won't matter if we will get the 5 pick beacuse he wil never be as good as manu.... manu is 100% now and he will be good next season!
    You don't know that. No one knows that. His last two seasons have ended badly due to injuries. The Spurs need to figure out if that's now the norm. If it is, you get what you can for him now, before everyone else figures it out.

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    I definitely say no to this trade especially while Duncan is around. With a healthy Manu next year the Spurs are le contenders. With that trade, the Spurs are merely just possibly playoff contenders. There is a huge difference!

    By the way, is E. Thomas even still playing? He had open heart surgery last year!!! He would definitely not be starting at center anytime soon imo.

    Now that I think about it, it would be one center with a heart issue for another.

    As another already stated, trade really is Manu for Young and #5 since everyone else has an expiring contract.

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    Spurs just need to decide if Manu will be Manu again. To tell the truth, I'd feel whole lot better if this latest were a revisitation of the ankle. This stress fracture/reaction makes me think of all of the time that Willie Anderson missed with that ish, over a number of seasons.

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    Seriously? I read that but what did the Spurs expect? Did they think some combo of Oberto, Thomas, Hill, Bowen, Mason, Bonner would get the 5th pick?
    Sounds to me like the typical Spurs wanting to look like they tried to make a deal but couldn't to placate fans.

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    I don't know if you've seen Nick Young play...but the dude can ball.

    Ginobili is done... i think he is too old and injury prone. T he spurs should grab this deal.

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    You don't know that. No one knows that. His last two seasons have ended badly due to injuries. The Spurs need to figure out if that's now the norm. If it is, you get what you can for him now, before everyone else figures it out.
    The problem for the Spurs is that they can't figure it out now. They will only know if Manu can hold up again under the pounding of NBA basketball after he has played (or attempted to play) several months of NBA basketball. The rest of the league will find out about Manu along with Spurs. What little information they have that is not generally known will be revealed in the physical that will be conducted by the acquiring team.

    The Spurs currently have at least five windows/choices available to decide their future relationship with Manu:

    1. Trade this summer
    2. Trade during the season before the trade deadline
    3. Extend his contract during or after the season
    4. Sign and trade next summer
    5. Allow contract to expire and use cap space for FA

    Given the uncertainties as to his health, as well as TD's health, it would seem prudent to wait until they have better information. His value now is mostly as an expiring contract. If he is broken, his contract will retain that value at the trade deadline. If he is not broken, his value at the trade deadline or in a S&T will significantly increase.

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    Simply no

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    You don't know that. No one knows that. His last two seasons have ended badly due to injuries. The Spurs need to figure out if that's now the norm. If it is, you get what you can for him now, before everyone else figures it out.
    I know but w need Jerrels badly! and if we will be able to draft him then we don't need to worry as much!

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    I don't know if you've seen Nick Young play...but the dude can ball.

    Ginobili is done... i think he is too old and injury prone. T he spurs should grab this deal.
    Young will never fit in the spurs team!

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    young may be a decent pick up but the 5th pick they are crap shoots now. draft picks don't mean in today's nba. unless it's the 1st pick (a big maybe) teams don't know what they are getting anymore.

    all h.s. in for one yr or sit out, still raw, still have to wait few yrs to develope and know what you have. when before you knew what type of player you were getting and teams and cities got excited, you knew with those top picks at least 75-80% of the time they would be a decent player and the #1 or 2 would be a difference maker. now it's like 25% and wait 4 yrs.

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    So, wait. When Manu led the Spurs in scoring in 2008 against the Hornets, he was actually doing nothing? When he led the Spurs in scoring of Game 7 of that series, he really did nothing? When he averaged 17+ ppg over a 17 game playoff run, he did nothing? When he made a play to send Game 1 against Phoenix into a 2nd OT and then salted away the win with the final bucket of the 2nd OT, he really hadn't done anything for the Spurs?

    Damn.

    What happened in the Laker series in 2008 when he only showed up for one game. I am tired of the excuse that manu is not healthy when he plays well in one series then doesn't play well in the next he is suddenly too injured to play.

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    Curb stomped my ass. The Spurs gave you game 1 and we should have won game 4 too. So even with Manu injured the series could have easily gone 6 or 7.

    You didn't b stomp .
    The Lakers have shown to be far better than the spurs since the Gasol trade.

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    What happened in the Laker series in 2008 when he only showed up for one game. I am tired of the excuse that manu is not healthy when he plays well in one series then doesn't play well in the next he is suddenly too injured to play.

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