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Of course not. Same will happen with the Spurs mid-january if Manu turns out to be fine.
Not at all. I think you're daydreaming.
I'm still waiting for you to mention which rooks have contributed massively to a championship team in the past 10 years or so... displaying brilliance or not. I guess I have to keep waiting, because I don't see them.
Rookies playing OR sitting on the bench aren't going to keep us in contention either. What do you suggest?
Of course not. Same will happen with the Spurs mid-january if Manu turns out to be fine.
This is the part where I have to ask you why would Washington do a trade like that?
Im confused by your logic man, utterly bewildered.
What it comes down to is do you want a player that may spend the rest of his career riding the bench, or do you want to gamble on two young prospects that have potential in the future and possibly present?
It's perpetually injured vs. solid contributions.
And what are you talking about? Do you watch basketball? Did you not see Derrick Rose tear it up in the playoffs, or OJ Mayo, Danny Granger, Kevin Durant, Trevor Ariza tear it up on their teams? Imagine if those players were playing next to TIM DUNCAN AND TONY PARKER and being coached by Popavich?
You're just confusing me
tp is not that brilliant by the way in this playoff anyway. I don't against a trade re Manu if it brings better player. Same for Tp too. To win champ, it is obvious that the 3 needs to play plus one more v good player at least
tp is not that brilliant by the way in this playoff anyway. I don't against a trade re Manu if it brings better player. Same for Tp too. However,to win champ, it is obvious that the 3 needs to play plus one more v good player at least
Very few athletes actually end up perpetually injured. It makes more sense to take that chance than a bunch of unproven players.
I'm with you on this one. I think what ElNono is trying to say is there is no way Young and pick #5 are going to make the Spurs good enough to win the championship next season so our best bet is to hope that Ginobili returns to full health. That being said, I think there is a good enough chance that Ginobili never makes it back to the level he was playing at even in 2007 that the front office needs to listen and consider offers that come in. I definitely wouldn't want to be the one to make that decision, like you said.
Parker averaged 29 and 7 and shot 55% from the floor in this year's playoffs. I'm not sure he could have done anything else.
Anyway, people aren't defensive about trading Ginobili really (to address the original poster). They are defensive about people making up trades that don't help the Spurs at all... or are so outlandish that the other team would never agree to it.
As Pop said the other day, it's highly unlikely they'd trade Manu. The only scenario I can imagine is if some other team really, really overvalued him and gave up some young studs.
Chris Webber
Grant Hill
Tracy McGrady
Penny Hardaway
Kenyon Martin
Jamal Tinsley
Allan Houston
Jamal Mashburn
Maybe even Dwayne Wade or Gilbert Arenas
People are defensive because the forum is filled with trades that make no sense for anyone involved.
Forget about the future. We are not rebuilding nor we want to. Once you drill that in your head, we'll start making progress. We want to win now. That means we need seasoned players. We can't work out the jitters of rooks for 2 or 3 seasons.
So the question is then much simpler: do you want to gamble on a legit star that you already have having one or two more good seasons, or do you want to forgo any chance to a championship in the next few years?
Not really. The dilemma really is: healthy star vs prospective contributors, or injured star vs prospective contributors.
I watch basketball, probably as much if not more than you do.
Rose was pick #1, Mayo was pick #3, Durant was pick #2... all of them on a strong draft classes... which is not the case this season...
And both Granger and Ariza are 4 year pros. Granger's first season in the NBA saw him average 7.5 PPG... second season 13.9...
Ariza came around after he was traded out of Orlando, in his 3rd year in the league... not to mention that today he still only averages 9 PPG...
Exactly my point. Furthermore, I think not only we need Ginobili back in full health, we also need to see Mahinmi being more than a project, Hill coming around, Mason actually growing up defensively, and somebody besides Ian helping Tim in the middle. So a lot of things have to align to really have a realistic shot.
Good post!!
SOme people cant stand the fact that other fans bring up the idea of trading ginobili because they probably became spurs fans, just because of ginobili. So, when their player might leave the spurs, they dont want to! That means they have to be fan of his new club afterwards. They want him to stay with the spurs. For them a spurs without manu is not interesting anymore. they are afraid. They just dont want to personally, so they become so harsh on other fans who consider trading him.
Why is everyone so defensive about Ginobili?
The team without Manu looked pathetic. The fanbase without him will look bad too. That's why he won't be traded.
Never saw you until late this season... so that makes you what?
Because as the Celtics and the Lakers show, you don't win championships by trading one good player for a couple of average players. You trade a few average/bad players for one good player (through collusion).
The Cavs are trying to replicate that with a trade for Shaq.
Go on.. tell me.... What does that makes me? I have been a long time Spurs fan, not because of any player, but Spurs fan as a whole. The fact that you saw me until late this season is just that i then found out about the existence of this forum. But, go ahead, you know something i dont.... tell me
Stepped on your toes, truth hurts a bit ay?
I'm a Manu fan, obviously, but was a Spurs fan long before Tim Duncan arrived. I'm not against trading Manu, but the fact is that his trade value is down right now. The same questions we as fans have means that an NBA organization probably has the same fears, and probably more of them. As fans we are worried that Manu might not be able to rebound to 2005, 2007, or even mid 2008/2009 form. Don't you think an owner/GM would have the same fears? Especially since they would ACTUALLY be losing something if it doesn't go the way they hoped. As of right now there is not a single good trade out there that would make me want to do it, unless it's a Pau Gasol type trade. Like mentioned earlier, people aren't against the thought or idea of trading Manu. Fans, however, are throwing out unrealistic trades that either wouldn't work for one team (usually the team the Spurs would be trading Manu to).
There's some guys out there. Not rookies mind you, but guys with less than 4 years on their resume when they won it.
Parker, Ginobili, Wade, Bryant, Prince, Rondo...... and the list goes on. Yeah yeah, you'll no doubt argue that Ginobili doesn't really count, but isn't the NBA a "different" game as everyone puts it?
I know your discussion centers around "Manu for lottery talent", but it would behoove us to look at all possibilities. There's no harm in daydreaming as you put it.
The only one I would argue had a considerable impact and was truly a rookie is Rondo. Then again, he had 3 legitimate all stars around him.
We WILL eventually get down to rebuilding. I don't really think the Spurs are going that route this season.
Mind if I borrow your crystal ball? once I know the future with certainty like you obviously do I can start calling myself a real fan and stop annoying you with logic and reason.Yes, this is my argument. People are acting like this guy has been hurt the past 2, 3 seasons or something. Almost every athlete gets injured at some point in his career, but it doesn't mean he/she is done. A lot of these "trade Manu" psuedo-fans need to start posting somewhere else b/c it's the same thing over and over again. He'll be back whether you guys like it or not...just wait until he starts playing like the 6th man of the year a couple years ago and I am sure you "trade Manu" fans will be on him like Kobe on white women.
He has shown that he is capable of returning to form. Before the all-star break he had a few string of games where he averaged almost 30 ppg. After coming back after the time off he showed that he still has what it takes to be the player he was in 2007. It's unfortunate that this other injury happened, but injuries happen.
As people mentioned, show me a reasonable trade for ginobili that would make the spurs better, and I'll stop calling you guys idiots.
Until then... you're an idiot
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