Two Days Before 9/11, Military Exercise Simulated Suicide Hijack Targeting New York

[Galileo]

You ers amuse me. Despite the evidence of state incompetence which abounds, somehow it is capable of pulling off a highly sophisticated plot which would require thousands of individuals to keep quiet about it. Here's a tip. Take a bath, shave, and find a way to leave mom's house.

9/11 may have been privitaized. Presidential and Senate campaigns are already privitized.

Fail.

If Bush is so incompetent, how did he get elected president twice, plus he was also elected governor?

[FromWayDowntown]

Look, if everyone did their own small part people could have done it and not realized the enormity of what they were participating in...not saying it happened that way, just that it could have...

And lo, almost 8 years later, none has spoken about having undertaken some part of this vast conspiracy that resulted in the myth that we now call the 9/11 attacks. None has spoken, despite the fact that any sort of book or tell-all disclosing such explosive details would make the whistleblower far wealthier than any off-the-books payout by the mastermind might.

I agree with MB about inplausibility of a conspriacy in light of the known incompetence of government; but I've never understood how what would necessarily have been a far-reaching conspiracy could be shrouded in maintained silence for such a long period of time with so much money at stake. Incompetence tells me it couldn't have happened, but self-interest tells me that it didn't happen.

[Nbadan]

I agree with MB about inplausibility of a conspriacy in light of the known incompetence of government; but I've never understood how what would necessarily have been a far-reaching conspiracy could be shrouded in maintained silence for such a long period of time with so much money at stake. Incompetence tells me it couldn't have happened, but self-interest tells me that it didn't happen.

Depends on what you believe...I believe that people are capable of keeping secrets or at least keeping them to their death-beds...you want proof - the JFK Assassination...

[Nbadan]

...this would be made especially easy to do if they were foreigners...

[Galileo]

And lo, almost 8 years later, none has spoken about having undertaken some part of this vast conspiracy that resulted in the myth that we now call the 9/11 attacks. None has spoken, despite the fact that any sort of book or tell-all disclosing such explosive details would make the whistleblower far wealthier than any off-the-books payout by the mastermind might.

I agree with MB about inplausibility of a conspriacy in light of the known incompetence of government; but I've never understood how what would necessarily have been a far-reaching conspiracy could be shrouded in maintained silence for such a long period of time with so much money at stake. Incompetence tells me it couldn't have happened, but self-interest tells me that it didn't happen.

What's your evidence that it was a vast conspiracy?

An inside job requies fewer people than an outside job.

[FromWayDowntown]

What's your evidence that it was a vast conspiracy?

An inside job requies fewer people than an outside job.

I've never said it was anything other than a conspiracy by 19 terrorists and their benefactors to hijack planes and fly them into occupied buildings.

I'm not sure why it's my burden to demonstrate that it was anything other than that. You're the one telling me it was a conspiracy; tell me what the details of that conspiracy were (or what you believe them to be). If you're so sure it was such a conspiracy, putting that in a single post really shouldn't be very difficult at all.

You guys are long on theory but short on details. And you have this remarkable knack for insisting that those who disagree with you should somehow disprove the theories you'll only disclose in the broadest of strokes.

Mostly, however, I was responding to Dan's idea that a conspiracy would be easy to pull off if you had people doing small jobs in aid of such a conspircy and the fact that given the enormity of the 9/11 attacks, it would take a massive team to so granulate the work of such a conspiracy. That makes it extremely difficult for me to believe that all of the working parts could be kept silent for nearly a decade with the incentives for whistleblowing that clearly exist.

[Blake]

An inside job requies fewer people than an outside job.

it didn't require very many terrorists working together to take down the towers.

In this case it would absolutely take more people for it to be the kind of inside job you are constantly suggesting it is.

[Galileo]

it didn't require very many terrorists working together to take down the towers.

In this case it would absolutely take more people for it to be the kind of inside job you are constantly suggesting it is.

How did the Arab terrorists sneak 50 tons of thermite past security?

[Blake]

How did the Arab terrorists sneak 50 tons of thermite past security?

there was no thermite being sneaked in.

....but if there was, how many insiders would it require to 'sneak in' 50 TONS of thermite?

[Galileo]

there was no thermite being sneaked in.

....but if there was, how many insiders would it require to 'sneak in' 50 TONS of thermite?

There was, it was found by an international team of scientists. Security was compromised.

[ChumpDumper]

There was, it was found by an international team of scientists. Security was compromised.

That "international team of scientists" found red paint.

How does red paint bring down buildings?

[Blake]

There was, it was found by an international team of scientists. Security was compromised.

cmon, we've already been over this and you lose every time.

I want to know how many insiders it takes to get 50 tons of thermite past security.

The world may never know.

[Marcus Bryant]

9/11 may have been privitaized. Presidential and Senate campaigns are already privitized.

Fail.

Yes, you failed to spell privatized correctly. Twice.

So now the state was no longer in on the fantastical plot, but rather a victim itself?

Go rub one out.

[coyotes_geek]

cmon, we've already been over this and you lose every time.

I want to know how many insiders it takes to get 50 tons of thermite past security.

The world may never know.

By my calculations all you need are 10,000 operatives each smuggling in 10 pounds of thermite using the pregnant lady / fake belly trick. Who's going to notice 10,000 pregnant ladies trying to get into the WTC?

[BacktoBasics]

dan has shown that ten seconds were spent verifying whether 9/11 was a drill.

Bravo!

If were only talking about 10 seconds then why were they unable to respond within the expected time.

[BacktoBasics]

No problem responding in other instances.

These standard procedures were activated on 67 occasions in the period from September 2000 to June 2001 (see, FAA news release, 8/9/02; AP, 8/13/02); and in 129 cases in the year 2000 (see, Calgary Herald, 10/13/01). These figures were released by FAA and NORAD officials to the press in 2002.

[Galileo]

That "international team of scientists" found red paint.

How does red paint bring down buildings?

sure they did. PhD chemists can't tell thermite from paint under a microscope.

[ChumpDumper]

If were only talking about 10 seconds then why were they unable to respond within the expected time.

What is the expected time?

By the time word got to NEADS, the first plane had already hit. There was a lot of confusion about where to send any planes after that since there were multiple reports of hijackings, difficulty tracking the planes that were hijacked, and the civilian and military systems for plotting aircraft were quite different at the time.

[ChumpDumper]

PhD chemists can't tell thermite from paint under a microscope.

Not those "scientists".

[Galileo]

Not those "scientists".

You have nothing. The thermite paper is a scientific masterpiece, on par with papers by Pasteur and Maxwell.

More papers will follow. You're done.

[Marcus Bryant]

Pasteur and Maxwell were in on the plot. If you disagree, you have "nothing."

Clearly this was a case of the Illuminati, in concert with the Jews, Masons, CIA, Captain Kangaroo, and Rock Hudson enacting their evil plot for global domination.

[Marcus Bryant]

By my calculations all you need are 10,000 operatives each smuggling in 10 pounds of thermite using the pregnant lady / fake belly trick. Who's going to notice 10,000 pregnant ladies trying to get into the WTC?

Details, details...the predictable fog of lies spread by the Illuminati.

[FromWayDowntown]

You have nothing. The thermite paper is a scientific masterpiece, on par with papers by Pasteur and Maxwell.

More papers will follow. You're done.

I'm still waiting to have you spell out your conspiracy theory in something other than broad strokes (that is, something other than your belief that there was a conspiracy). If you're so certain of it, it really shouldn't be terribly difficult to provide even a general rundown of some details.

I'll wait to read your sure-to-be-forthcoming tome.

[ChumpDumper]

You have nothing. The thermite paper is a scientific masterpiece, on par with papers by Pasteur and Maxwell.

Too bad they didn't rule out red paint. That would have been at least competent.

More papers will follow. You're done.

I look forward to them. They are funny as .

[Rappin Granny]

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