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I did. There was a picture of Vince Carter. He was also listed under the word loser.Manu is the definition of hot doggedness inconsistency. Check your dictionary.
You could post similiar numbers for almost ANY player in this league. Go bring up box scores for many 2nd/3rd options on defensive oriented/slow paced teams. Tony is not the only one to have box scores like that. Keep in mind Ginobili and Parker share the second option role. You can't expect 18-25 EVERY night. Some nights you aren't going to hit shots.
How are you going to tell me Ginbobili is inconsistent? This is his first POOR stretch of basketball of the season, and the first 2-3 of those poor games he was playing through a groin strain. How is that inconsistent? Is his energy and overall game INCONSISTENT? Honestly, do you really think it is?
Your just finding something to be negative about.
I did. There was a picture of Vince Carter. He was also listed under the word loser.Manu is the definition of hot doggedness inconsistency. Check your dictionary.
You do not seem to understand that even the teams you might find CONSISTENT, also shoot poorly on the nights they lose. Didn't Miami lose to the Bobcats recently? To the Pacers? They even didn't shoot horribly and they lost to inferior teams. Against Houston they shot poorly. Do you think every other team except the Spurs shoot 45% when they lose? Does it even make a difference what % they shot when they LOSE a game? Especially when they have ZERO energy?
It's not exactly rocket science. When teams lose, they usually shoot poorly, or get outplayed. The Spurs are no different. They may not live up to your expectations, but EVERY team in NBA history when they lose usally shoots poorly in comparison to the competetion, and usually loses as a result of playing bad basketball and worse than the team NORM.
You are right I stand corrected on Ginobilli. He has been down right out of his mind for most of the season and I retract my statement about him.
The fact that there are a lot of inconsistent 2nd or 3rd options in the NBA does not change the fact that Parker is inconsistent. You totally avoided the point of this discussion with that statement.
I am hardly just trying to find something to be negative about. If that was the goal of my post than after watching this game I would have MUCH more ammo . I would hardly rely on a statement that is obviously based on production over the entire season. You however have done nothing to disprove my argument and instead you have argued around it.
and you are the John Wooden of knowledge....please
as Sequ said everyone has opinions
I'm just asking if Barry is so ing good how come he didnt show up tonight
as for Rose, he's gone let it go
if you wanna play the IF game....IF Tim Duncan taped his ankles so that he wouldn't re-injure them, then the Spurs would have a better record
Yeah there's value but not when someone is full of .
IOW...you saying someone sucks has no value because you say everyone sucks after bad games, have you ever not?
Ditto him singling Barry out...he's heavily biased and it's no different then what he ever does after a loss...he always blames Barry.
En e team shoots 30% and I don't think Barry brought the ball up the court 1 time or even handled with it with more than 5 seconds left on the clock but once...and was the forgotten man on offense...what he's sposed to do when all he is doing is standing around waiting for someone to not forget about him? Shoot 10005?
Manu shot 1-8...had 1 point in the first half...
Horry was 2-7
The whole team shot like that...
And the lethargy was obvious.
Yet Barry's 1-6 is why we lost?
I call bull .
On top of that I just don't know what to say to someone who says the attribute they value most in players is heart...yet he is glad we traded Malik for Nazr Mohammed...I can't reason with that mindset, it's way out there....it's like swimmiing in quicksand...
Aren't you forgetting something? Did you miss all those games that Tim and Manu were out? You don't think that will have any effect on Tony's stats?
As for Manumania, whos attacks on my posts of late have become sequ-esque (you really need to learn to tone it down when someone calls out your boy) I posted this thread with 5 minutes left in the first quarter when Manu was really playing poorly. In the third he did get to the rack, and my post during the thrid quarter said he was doing a good job rebounding from the poor start, where did that create the need for you to get so angry? Besides you and some of the new posters, no one else really gets so pissy here, take a chill pill man.
The whole team has sucked ass tonight, I still think Parker played better, if only because he had a little more consistancy and continued to attack the basket throghout the game. Horry played a horrible game, and save for the third period, i wasn't impressed with Manu's preformance, I think he is still hurting from whatever he had when he went out, because he really looked like he was stuggling to keep up with the pace of the game.
It would be nice if he Brown, and Duncan could be healthy for the playoffs.
You said BOTH of them were inconsistent. As a tandem, they have been ULTRA consistent.
Personally I consider Manu more consistent this season overall. Parker I do find inconsistent with his game at times. But as a PAIR, one of them USUALLY steps up. Very rarely have they both played POOR games at the same time when this team is healthy.
You are totally misunderstanding where I am coming from here. My comment on Parker's consistency has little to do with this game and a lot to do with the entire season. , he wasnt even bad tonight. In fact, he was easily the best player we had on the floor IMO. Over the course of the season as a whole though he has been horribly inconsistent and especially in the crunch. With games on the line for the large majority of the season he has been all but invisible. He regularly allows the other team's PG to outplay him in the 4th quarter. I am not saying this doesnt happen to other teams/players some time or even often. However I am NOT talking about other teams. I am talking about this team. This is IS and SHOULD be held to a higher standard IMO.
We are inconsistent as in wins too. That is why we blow so many leads. You are turning this around and trying to make me look like a villain for no reason other than you own deviant satisfaction. This is my last post until you actually decide to adress the points I am making instead of confronting them with generalizations and other wise water based arguments.
show me where I blamed Barry for the loss. I am simply asking where was his game? I never blamed him for the loss, that is simply your guilty conscience.
Man shut the up no one likes you our you ty at ude, really get a life, so Barry had an off-night, why are you gonna call out Whottt? If anything this prooves his point that if Barry plays well the spurs win, when he's off, the spurs are off
You are correct I did say that and then retracted it. So argue the point now at hand or agree. Actually, you just did agree. NM
Manu is the man of men and plays on a level higher than most in the NBA. When he isnt destroying people in the lane and making entire teams look silly some times I find myself dissapointed. Thus is the fate of a player with such a skill level and skill set. I make no attempt to mask the fact I have a high standard for this team. Interpret that however you may but it is what it is.
I take no satisfaction in insulting another poster or attacking them (which I am not trying to do). But when someone calls me a homer (which I am far from), then I must defend myself. I am probably one of the more pessamistic posters on this forum. But even I will admit that Parker and Ginobili as a tandem have been great this season.
As for Parker, I disagree. Tonight I thought the entire team was poor, and Parker was no more impressive to me then Manu. We were playing best when Manu was getting to the line, sadly his shot was not falling tonight. But to me it was all the same. Outhustled downlow, kept fouling and allowing easy buckets underneath. Even when Manu and Parker did create, NOBODY could hit an open shot unless the team happened to be trailing by 14+.
I would like to address your points, and I would be happy to have a healthy debate. But when you say Parker AND Manu have been inconsistent, I would like to say I disagree WITHOUT being called a homer.
My attacks on you posts??? this is one of the only threads of late that I have even responded to one of your posts. I stand by what I said, I probably could have found a way to say it less crudely, but I still think you are always looking for a way to compare TP and Manu, and it pisses me off! Like I said, they are both carrying the team, Tp has his good days Manu has his. No need to single out one game and make stupid comments like the one you posted. I take offense to that Sequ comparison, my posts may have passion in them, but the certainly also have thought, unlike what you have said so far in this thread.
No didn't have an off night, he just had a couple of good games before, this is how he is normally. But he didn't lose the game for us, so whatever.
The only positives out of this one are, G. Love played good, Manu only played 25 minutes, we kept up on the rebounds.
True. I think that one possession where the Spurs got like six O boards and still didn't score helped the totals, though.we kept up on the rebounds.
Ginofan, You can't be serious, Brent Barry has been one of the most consistant NBA players over the last 10 years, and he hasn't been horrible this year, even without him lighting it up from downtown he has been an asset running the break and scoring inside.
lol yeah there were a couple of sequences like that, but just trying to look on the positve side of the box hehe.True. I think that one possession where the Spurs got like six O boards and still didn't score helped the totals, though.
Point taken. Obviously you missed the humor that was meant behind the "homerism disease" comment. I thought the humor in it was obvious enough but I am very dry at times. Let get beyond that now as this convo has evolved.
We are talking about Parker now. Just Parker. We are no longer talking about the tandem of guards. As far as Parker goes do you dissagree that he is grossly inconsistent at times? It really doesnt matter to me how consistent Gino is because for us to win in the playoffs IMO they BOTH need to be playing at a very high level and we need a healthy Duncan. I think if one or all of those parts are missing for any extended period of time we could be in trouble. COULD be in trouble, dont blow that out of proportion i am just being realistic.
In referance to the Parker + Ginobilli = consistency formula I have an old saying for you. "One person cant love enough for both."
Dead serious. We aren't talking about the last 10 years, we are talking about this one, you know the one (and maybe the only) where he's playing for the Spurs. We can go out and get anyone who can pass and dribble. Bringing him in for his outside shooting and him not hitting it consistantly = him sucking.
whatever...so Barry had an off night...that's his norm in case you have noticed.
while you may accept his subpar play, being a season ticket holder I cannot. And since this is still America I am free to about it
a big thank you to Kori and TiMVP for giving us fans a forum to get our anxiaties and fustrations out
Was that on that one possesion where Najera accidently slipped on a Spurs jersey?True. I think that one possession where the Spurs got like six O boards and still didn't score helped the totals, though.
great, then stop buying tickets, the spurs would be better off I'm sure
and no one cares, but can you do it somewhere else, because really, Mud-slinging has no real value, it just makes this form, and my thread, look second rate.
Another positive is that Nazr had 10 points!(to bad most of them came during garbage time but it's a start)
Honestly this whole game was garbage time. LOL
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