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I don't recall. How is that?
..and yet people still wear their pom poms.
I don't recall. How is that?
The Senate hasn't passed anything yet, Slick. Down with you. Everybody else isn't resigned to it yet.
Has it occurred to any of you clairvoyants besides WC that your celebration of the ultimate demise of the USA might be a bit premature?
Write your effing US Senators. Tell them you think this bill is bad for America.
Already, I see the rioting on our streets.The cap and tax bill has past - just barely. And 8 stupid republicans voted yes. All of them will be out of a job when they come up for re-election!
I cannot believe this bill passed - this is going to kill our country. They estimate it will cost 2 MILLION jobs a year!!!!! Pelosi - that spiteful - had a 300 page amendment added in the middle of the night - so AGAIN - no one has read the bill they just voted for.
God this makes me so angry - and yet very, very sad for this once great country. It's a sad, sad day for all Americans.
Believe it or not, they listen when people actually write and send it snail mail, or call. It's the e-mails they pay less attention to with the way people can do that in bulk and under aliases. For every letter of call they get, they figure something like another 1000 people who feel the same way but doesn't take the time for it.Originally Posted by Winehole23
Write your effing US Senators. Tell them you think this bill is bad for America.
The vast majority still vote either the way the lobbysts that pay their campaign ask them to, or along party lines regardless of their own opinion. Sucks? Sure. But it's been like that for way too long.
I'll hunt it down for you. Both the Dems and the Republicans discussed this number in debate on the floor on Friday.
You act like they care what people have to think.
SA's own rep, Cuellar, got something like 90% calls against, 10% for. He dismissed all the people against it as special interest lobbyists inundating his office. The only special interests here are the ones putting money in the reps' pockets to vote for stupidity like this.
Howabout TARP? We all got told the same politicians that got us into this mess knew more than us. They don't give a . They are all getting rich on the backs of the poor and middle class and laughing all the way to the bank.
Lol...
Do you really think that's possible on this? Did you read any of the legislation? What about the Vouchers for Clunkers? Then any part of it that assumes this will help reduce Global Warning is a flat out crock of . This is just another way to tax people. I've been hearing that Nacy Pelosi owns stocks that will skyrocket if this bill becomes law also.
Tell me there's no unethical and very likely illegal activities there.
"I've been hearing" and "I got a random email from TEAM SARA stating that" are two different things.
If you have a link I'd be glad to agree with you.
Unlike most people here, I read HR 2454. It adds to programs like HR 2640. Here is a wiki entry, Part of link: Scrappage Program. Part of that entry:
Now in HR 2454, section 124:A scrappage program is currently working its way through the United States Congress. Economist Alan Blinder helped popularize the idea of a scrappage program, and the moniker "cash for clunkers," with his July 2008 Op-Ed piece in the New York Times. Blinder argued that a cash for clunkers program would have a tripar e purpose of helping the environment, stimulating the economy, and reducing economic inequality. Plans currently proposed in Congress call for a maximum $4,500 voucher for people who trade in an old vehicle with a combined fuel economy of 18 miles per gallon or less and purchase a new car that is 10 mpg more efficient or a truck that is 5 mpg more efficient.
It goes on with the criteria to get $3,500 or $4,500 to buy a new vehicle.SEC. 128. TEMPORARY VEHICLE TRADE-IN PROGRAM.
(a) ESTABLISHMENT.—There is established in the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration a program to be known as the ‘‘Cash for Clunkers Temporary Vehicle Trade-in Program’’ through which the Secretary, in accordance with this section and the regulations promulgated under subsection (d), shall—
Guess what people. We, the tax payers, are helping others buy cars!
Do you liberals know what redistribution of wealth is?
This section 128 goes beyond the CARS program, which starts and end rather quickly. Here's and article about it:
Customer Assistance to Recycle and Save program (or CARS)
Nice. I actually need to replace my Jeep sooner than later and this will come handy. Thanks!
I don't think liberals in general are against redistribution of wealth. I mean, Obama policies talked about it the entire campaign and he still got elected by a fairly wide margin.
It's obvious that all these celebrities are in Gault's Gulch in Colorado. They're just "shrugging" because of Obama.
Here's a list of all her stocks she owned according to her 2009 Financial information filing to the HoR. I don't have time to research all these, but others can jump in.
Some early highlights:
* her and her husband made about 10 million off the sale of AIG assets. Good to see the government bailout pay off for someone
* Environmental companies (this list isn't exhaustive of her list of stocks owned, just the ones I know of off the top of my head in looking at this list):
Clean Energy Fuels Corp - T. Boone Pickens alternative energy company (no conflict of interest here)
GE - huge manufacturer of wind turbines that are getting pumped with this bill. GE is also being tasked with handling some of the carbon credit trading market that will be established with the Crap & Trade. Nice way to make some easy money, eh Nancy?
Odyssey LLC - a quick google search turned up that their portfolio includes:
- Wastequip: Wastequip is the largest designer, manufacturer, and marketer of waste handling and recycling equipment used to collect, process, and transport solid and liquid waste in North America
- EAG: they build solar and semiconductor arrays as part of their product offering
Quest Energy - operates a huge natural gas lease in Oklahoma
Mathews International Fund - invests in China/Asia - how convenient, as a lot of production is going to move there with C&T.
Sorry if there's a typo or two below, I pulled these off an image scan of her financial filings.
Active LLC
Akamai Technologies, Inc.
Alcatel Lucents Ads
Alcoa Inc
AIG
AmericasDoctors.com
Aristtole LLC
AT&T
Auberge du Soleil - Ltd.
Avalon Pharmaceuticals, Inc.
BF Enterprises
Biz360 Inc.
Borel Real Estate Company
Briazz
Broadcom
Builders Info Group
Bullhorn LLC
Cardiac Sceience Corp.
Cisco
City Car Services LLC
Clean Energy Fuels Corp *
CMGI, Inc.
Collab.net LLC
Comcast
Command Audio
Critical Path Inc.
Cryocor Inc.
Digital Fountain
Dover Saddlery Inc.
Dow Chemical
Ebay
EDI Associates
Emulex
Fastnet
FOrtunet Inc.
Forty-Five Belden Corp.
General Electric (GE)
Genitope Corp.
Getty Images Inc.
Global Ambassador Concierge LLC
Golub Capital Partners
Granite Ventures
iBiquity Digital Corporation
Infospace
Interactive Brokers Group Inc.
Itnernap Network Services
Intraop Medical Corporation
Inverness Medical Innovations Inc.
J. Crew Group Inc.
Johnson & Johnson
Lions Gate Limited
Marquery Antiques
Matthews Internation Mutual Fund
McGrath Rentrcorp. Inc.
Microsoft
Modulus Global Common Stock
MontaVista LLC
Morningstar Inc.
Mosher Partners LP
Nautilus Leasing Services
Navtez Corp.
Oakwood Homes Corp.
Odyssey LLC **
Overstock.com
QualComm Inc.
Quest Energy Partners LP
Rackspace Hosting Inc.
Redenvelope
RIMM
Robert Half Intl.
Salesforce.com
Shutterfly
Sonus Networks Inc.
SPeakesy Investors LP
Starbucks
Sun Microsystems
Support Soft
TeraOP LLC
Tripath Technology Inc.
Trivium LLC
Unicru LC
Visa
Vizu LLC
W.R. Hambrecht Money Market Fund
Yahoo Inc.
Yerac Associates Investment Fund **
I was pretty close. TEAM SARAH isn't too far off from the Washington Examiner.
I don't even like the either.
You guys should invest in some of that stock that Pelosi owns... then you would be making money off it too, and can actually thank Pelosi for the tips...
Ehhh... it looks like she has a pretty diversified portfolio. Trying to pick and choose conflicts of interest is a bit iffy.
I could make the same argument that she's trying to sabotage her money. She owns DOW Chemicals for Christ sake.
Rackspace.... showing SA some love
And here's the statements she filed:
Financial Disclosure Statement 2005
Financial Disclosure Statement 2006
Financial Disclosure Statement 2007
Financial Disclosure Statement 2008
You know, thats quite the fair approach. Lets see the lengths to which private industry feels compelled to build new energy infrastructure. Maybe I could be wrong.
But I friggin doubt it. Highly.
I don't care whether they care or not. It ain't over til it's over. You act like the game is already lost. It isn't yet.
Cynicism is for quitters and crybabies.
oil and energy lobbyists have bought enough Senators (fewer of them than Reps) to block this bill.
Senators say they read emails, calls, letters (esp from the NRA), but they vote as dictated to by the lobbyists.
Even if they haven't, they helped draft a bill more favorable to them behind closed doors.oil and energy lobbyists have bought enough Senators (fewer of them than Reps) to block this bill.
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