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    Ironic considering Texas also happens to produce a third of the nation's wind generation capacity.
    Sure. How much of that is due to piggybacking on other investments already made in power transmission?

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    I lived in CA twice when I was a kid. First time in San Diego back in 1968 plus or minus one year, and then again in 1971-1973 near Oxnard (north of LA).

    I remember it being "like spring" all year long. Of course, I could be wrong...

    yeah, in eastern CA, at least the places I've been too (Needles, Barstow, etc) it was #@!% hot !!
    When we drove thru Needles in august 1973 while moving to san antonio TX, it was 114 degrees.

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    I read two estimates of how much of CA's energy efficiency over the national average is structural, and how much is due to energy ini iatives.

    One said 20%.

    The other said 50%. It had a rather obvious flaw, though -- it was looking at efficiency in terms of $GDP/kWh, which heavily distorted the numbers in favor of wealthy states.

    If I'm being generous, I might assume the 20% number was influenced by a pro-energy agenda and give California 30%. Tops.

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    Sure. How much of that is due to piggybacking on other investments already made in power transmission?
    Good question, and one I unfortunately do not know the answer to.

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    I can't wait until the State's Wars.

    Cali-Texas battle will be epic. You be Athens, we'll be Sparta.

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    I can't wait until the State's Wars.

    Cali-Texas battle will be epic. You be Athens, we'll be Sparta.
    Nah, the Mexicans will push all the liberals north. Los Angeles will be the capital of glorious Aztlan.

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    Even in Oregon, we have some areas that get hot. East of the Cascade Mountains is primarily desert. One year when I lived in The Dalles, it was 122F in my back yard, in the shade. granted, to break 120 is uncommon, but not rare. The official temperature of The Dalles is taken at the Airport like most places. It probably reads as much as 10 degrees cooler than the real temperate away from the river. The Dalles Airport effectively was the Columbia River on three sides of it, and if the Spillway of the Dam is open, that cools the readings also with a common east wind. Looking at Thursday's prediction for The Dalles, it's suppose to be a high of 98F. It will probably be between 105 and 110 where I used to live.

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    I read two estimates of how much of CA's energy efficiency over the national average is structural, and how much is due to energy ini iatives.

    One said 20%.

    The other said 50%. It had a rather obvious flaw, though -- it was looking at efficiency in terms of $GDP/kWh, which heavily distorted the numbers in favor of wealthy states.

    If I'm being generous, I might assume the 20% number was influenced by a pro-energy agenda and give California 30%. Tops.
    I would say it's largely because they suck of the hydro power of Oregon and Washington, and use the Pacific DC Intertie to steal our power. At least for the LA area. I don't think there is any way of matching California's power structure, because we have tapped the larger rivers already for hydroelectric power, and cannot substantially increase it beyond what we have. At least not without severe environmental impacts.



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    Cali. has about a 40 BILLION dollar deficit. The federation for american immigration reform estimates that cali. spends about 10.5 billion PER YEAR to host the millions of illegals in the state. Ca. has the biggest population of illegal aliens in the country.
    Now, Whinehole says that this 10.5 billion dollars PER YEAR is nothing, a mere red herring, a pittance, and why does he say that...because he is an ideolouge. that is why Ca. is ed and that's why the Obama vision is ed because it's based on ideologoue.Not for the good of the people, not for the wishes of the people,but because The entire political class of ca. for the most part are liberal democrats, they have an idea, a whole collection of theory they learned in poli-sci class at the angela davis school for wayward poor little rich girls.
    Like Obama they never had real jobs, other than suck off the people who produce wealth through labor, and or get relected and you get relected by promising the wealth of the state to bussiness interests or redistibuting wealth to voting blocks who don't want to work.
    Ca. also has a huge legal immigration community that also put tremendous strains on social services.people who don't live in the state can't really fathom the size of these communities because they don't have them in middle america.
    Ca. is probably the most radically liberal state in the U.S. and it has lived on debt to create a left wing utopia, but now the chickens have come home to roost and their social experiments and and "sustainable" BE IN is proving not to be sustainable, The choice... rexamine the validity of modern leftist thought on economy,enviroment, culture,education,immigration, politics, or bury your head in the sand and ride this train till it derails.You can see which one Ca. picked,and which one Obama picked.

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    Yeah, occasionally it gets in the low 120s. High 110s are very common.
    Hmm. Maybe I didn't look it up right, but the info I found said the record high for that area is 112 in like 1990. I remember a 112 degree day in both San Antonio and Dallas since that time.

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    Hmm. Maybe I didn't look it up right, but the info I found said the record high for that area is 112 in like 1990. I remember a 112 degree day in both San Antonio and Dallas since that time.
    Palm Springs - High 1 year ago today: 114.4, High 2 years ago today: 110.2
    http://www.psview.com/weather/

    I think that the Palm Springs area is what Baseline was talking about. 110-115 is pretty regular there in the summer.

    San Fernando Valley (adjacent to LA), temps in the 105-110 range aren't uncommon at all.

    That being said, this summer in San Antonio has been hot as . It's 100+ every time I go outside lately.

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    Haven't you had your fill this thread?

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    It's been roughly 90 to 95 degrees here in Biloxi, but the "feels like" temp has been over 100 nearly every other day.

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    Now, Whinehole says that this 10.5 billion dollars PER YEAR is nothing, a mere red herring, a pittance, and why does he say that...because he is an ideolouge
    Yes, micca, I am an *idealounge*.

    Obsessed much?

    I dare you to find a quote supporting the bolded, or for that matter, waving off Cali's fiscal irresponsibility.

    You won't be able to find one, and everyone knows why.



    It's because you're a liar, micca.

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    Palm Springs - High 1 year ago today: 114.4, High 2 years ago today: 110.2
    http://www.psview.com/weather/

    I think that the Palm Springs area is what Baseline was talking about. 110-115 is pretty regular there in the summer.

    San Fernando Valley (adjacent to LA), temps in the 105-110 range aren't uncommon at all.

    That being said, this summer in San Antonio has been hot as . It's 100+ every time I go outside lately.
    Yep, I found the record for Palm Springs is 123, both in 1979 and 1993. The nice thing about California is that it cools off at night. In 1999 here in Dallas during the heat wave, the average temperature for one of those months was 103, including day and night.

    We're totally derailing this thread, though. Everybody back to yelling partisan rhetoric and not listening to each other....

    Now.

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    Yes, micca, I am an *idealounge*.

    Obsessed much?

    I dare you to find a quote supporting the bolded, or for that matter, waving off Cali's fiscal irresponsibility.

    You won't be able to find one, and everyone knows why.



    It's because you're a liar, micca.


    Here you go princess http://usgovinfo.about.com/od/immigr...caillegals.htm

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    Non-responsive, micca. You misrepresented me. The impersonation wasn't even close. It's like you just threw sh!te on the wall and called it a portrait.

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    Non-responsive, micca. You misrepresented me. The impersonation wasn't even close. It's like you just threw sh!te on the wall and called it a portrait.
    Damn is that fruedian or what.

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    You tell me, profe.

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    CA cuts/limits taxes like conservatives love, ends up in a ditch with a bankrupt state and a severely degraded CA university system (once the envy of the world and basis for CA's incredible wealth and innovation), and conservatives still aren't happy.
    Ding Ding Ding we have a winner. Even Reagan wasn't stupid enough to not raise taxes. Arnold is an idiot for going to cuts and not raising taxes just like a good ol repub. He's actually following the republican model to a tee. Funny how repubs fail to notice that.

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    Ding Ding Ding we have a winner. Even Reagan wasn't stupid enough to not raise taxes. Arnold is an idiot for going to cuts and not raising taxes just like a good ol repub. He's actually following the republican model to a tee. Funny how repubs fail to notice that.
    California didn't cut taxes, they have taxes all over the place on personal income and businesses (that are higher than the national average).

    It's their oppressive regulation of businesses, high income taxes, and expansive social programs (I have read they spend about 12 billion a year on providing services for illegal aliens) that is bankrupting them, not low taxes.

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    It's their oppressive regulation of businesses, high income taxes, and expansive social programs that is bankrupting them, not low taxes.
    True, in pars.

    California's stubborn, ongoing refusal to pay for the services it demands may turn out to be catatrophic. It's a damn shame for California.

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    Ding Ding Ding we have a winner. Even Reagan wasn't stupid enough to not raise taxes. Arnold is an idiot for going to cuts and not raising taxes just like a good ol repub. He's actually following the republican model to a tee. Funny how repubs fail to notice that.
    Didn't California voters have a chance to go to the ballot box and decide for themselves whether or not they were undertaxed? I'm not saying what Arnold is doing is right, wrong, good or bad, but from the outside it sure looks like he's standing up for what the voters told him they wanted.

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    Didn't California voters have a chance to go to the ballot box and decide for themselves whether or not they were undertaxed?
    You'd think that something's gotta give, now that California is about to start whipping out IOU's for its creditors.

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    Supermajority consensus is hard.

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