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  1. 07-02-2009 #51
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    Artest will likely not be a huge black hole if he comes to LA. If he does that he simply won't play. It's not like Houston where they had nobody else to handle the ball in the clutch.

    In LA Ron will have a very well defined role as a 3rd/4th option at best. If he cannot accept that then he will not play, period. Given Phil's history with coaching unruly players I would be surprised if Artest acts out and plays himself off the team.

    The bottom line is that Artest is a bigger, stronger, and better defender than Ariza is. If you didn't notice, Ariza got abused by both Ron Artest and Melo in the playoffs. He can't handle bulky SF's like Pierce or Lebron the way Artest can. He's also a better shooter than Ariza, a better passer, and more capable of creating for himself.

    There is obviously going to be some risk, but the Lakers are not a stupid franchise. They don't have 15 rings for nothing.
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    well I think it makes the Lakers better. Artest is an upgrade from Ariza imo and Artest always seems to give the Spurs trouble because of his size.
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  3. 07-02-2009 #53
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    Quote Originally Posted by DrHouse
    Yea the Lakers were such pussies and had no heart that they won the 2009 NBA Championship.

    While the SPURS who supposedly have heart and toughness lost in the 1st round to a pathetic Dallas Maverick team despite having HCA.
    lol .... they won this championship cuz of the refs (just watch the end of game 2 finals if you don't believe ... there's no way NBA referees can be that bad ... and even if they were that bad, which is impossible, why would they be bad in a way that only favors the lakers ??? just watch how many times (without ANY physical contact, i'm talking big time spacing between the defender and kobe) they've sent Kobe to the line in the last 5 minutes, and then watch how they fouled out his defender (Pietrus) and watch how they prevented Hedo from scoring ... all that in crucial moments where everybody began realizing the lakers wouldn't be able to finish off the magic in that game ... by the way, that game changed the whole series (imagine if the lakers were goin to orlando for 3 consecutives games without the 2-0 lead ... it would have crushed their patheticaly weak confidence ... if they had any to begin with)

    as for the spurs, they played with heart, but they were defeated by a better team.... the spurs were too old and too injured to defeat a young athletic dallas team

    the lakers are not true champions and everybody knows it ... you're not gonna be really proud of your teamn until they play for real and win a championship without cheating (the gasol deal was clearly a cheat with undeclared money being transfered between the memphis and lakers ownerz)... but hey, that's just how the world works ...and if you seriously believe that deal was legit then I'm gonna stop talking to you cuz I don't have time to waste
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  4. 07-02-2009 #54
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    Im not one of the Artest haters, but lets conclude it like that:

    offense:
    he may be better than Ariza in that regard, but Artest taking away shots from Kobe and Gasol is pretty bad for them...even in Houston the opponents best defense play was a shot by Artest a lot of times...so basically Ariza as a roleplayer should be better than Artest as a kind of 3rd, 4th or 5th star.

    defense:
    I'm not sure, if Ariza is already the better defender of them, but I like how it changes the Spurs chances...Artest bay be pretty good aainst guysl like Paul Pierce, but against Manu and Tony I prefer Artest beeing our opponent rather than Ariza

    futhermore:
    I'm pretty sure, Kobe and Phill will make sure, Artest doesnt go Charles Manson in LA, but who would you rather have as a locker room guy? Ariza as the quite roleplayer, that is team fist, or Artest, that hasnt proven anything other than beeing David Sterns greatest concern.
    What about Odom now? If he stays, I see poblems....not caused by Artest himself, but Odom if he is the 6th man again!

    overall: I think it good trade for us Spursfans...Not sure about other teams, as I like Artest on LeBron, Pierce or Carter...Now our job is to make sure, that LA won't play any of these teams in the Playoffs!
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  5. 07-02-2009 #55
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    I am more afraid of them with Ariza than Artest. Artest played like crap the last 4 or five games of his series against the lakers. Kobe is still going to be shooting the ball, doesn't change much, it makes them less athletic if it does anything.
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  6. 07-02-2009 #56
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    I don't think this is true. It's coming from Artest texts and he's having fun. But go ahead, dream away.
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  7. 07-02-2009 #57
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    Quote Originally Posted by HarlemHeat37
    On ESPN..said nothing has happened yet, and it's just speculation..
    We shall see.
    If they do land Artest, than that's great!
    Ron will take away looks from Kobe..
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  8. 07-02-2009 #58
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    Quote Originally Posted by DrHouse
    If you didn't notice, Ariza got abused by both Ron Artest and Melo in the playoffs.
    Really? I must have missed it. Seems I remember something like Artest shooting 38% from the floor for the series.
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  9. 07-02-2009 #59
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    Quote Originally Posted by TonysTeam
    when we got RJ i thought we had a bit of chance to maybe beat LA. but if they get ARTEST...we have no shot.

    i can't believe how some spurs fans are trying to brush this off..THIS IS HUGE for the Lakers. i see another 3 peat in LA's future

    !! there goes our window in the duncan era!!
    Slow the down, this move isnt bad or anything for LA...but its not like Ariza was a scrub he was a huge part of their team. This pretty much just patches up the Ariza loss and keeps them at the same level that won them the le since Im sure theyll re-sign Odom. If the Spurs get Sheed or Dyess, and Manu comes back strong it will still be a dog fight between LA and SA.

    Btw, this has always been and always be Tim Duncans team as long as he's wearing a Spurs jersey.
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  10. 07-02-2009 #60
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Body
    I don't think this is true. It's coming from Artest texts and he's having fun. But go ahead, dream away.
    yeah, it's weird. This guy just loves to mess with the media.
    He said yesterday that he signed with NY.
    Then he edited. What an attention .

    http://twitter.com/96TruwarierQB
    http://twitter.com/Real_Ron_Artest
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    throw a beer at him.
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  12. 07-02-2009 #62
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    Artest is just messing around IMO, because of the Ariza to Rockets rumors

    Remember, he is a joker

    http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4303679
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    Let me make one thing perfectly clear, as Nixon used to say . . .

    Artest to the Lakers is not good news.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SteelerNation
    lol. Only uneducated Spurs fans would think this is a good thing. Go to other teams forums and they are saying "why even have the playoffs? Just give the le to L.A. right now." If Artest becomes a Laker, its all over but the crying. Your little Richard Jefferson move is nothing compared to this.

    Fish
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    Hahahahahaha...say goodnight, Spurs fans. Banner 16 is on its way to L.A.....hahahahahaha.
    Now that it's confirmed that he was messing around, you must feel really re ed
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    I knew it..
    This was 3 hours ago..
    http://twitter.com/Real_Ron_Artest

    Yeah, I'm signing with LA. Not the Lakers, though. The Sparks. The money's not great but they say I can get down w/ Candace Parker.
    Unbelievable.. .
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  16. 07-02-2009 #66
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    hes a ball stopper....not going to work in the lakers offense.
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  17. 07-02-2009 #67
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    Quote Originally Posted by lefty
    Now that it's confirmed that he was messing around, you must feel really re ed

    Where does it say that?
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    Steelernation =

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    T. Ariza is a quality SF but R. Artest is still one of the top SF in the league, and the Lakers have definitely improved themselves with this signing.
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    wow Artest is one funny mofo
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    It's real.
    http://espn.go.com/nba/
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    Quote Originally Posted by TonysTeam
    when we got RJ i thought we had a bit of chance to maybe beat LA. but if they get ARTEST...we have no shot.

    i can't believe how some spurs fans are trying to brush this off..THIS IS HUGE for the Lakers. i see another 3 peat in LA's future

    !! there goes our window in the duncan era!!
    Jesus ing Christ. STFU
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  23. 07-02-2009 #73
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    Quote Originally Posted by rayray2k8
    It's real.
    http://espn.go.com/nba/
    Oh noes




    Now I feel like a


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    Lol lefty.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lefty
    Artest is just messing around IMO, because of the Ariza to Rockets rumors

    Remember, he is a joker

    http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4303679
    where does it say he's joking around?
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