CNN:Karl Rove, conservatives "perplexed" by Sarah Palin's resignation

[SonOfAGun]

This is a recipe for people to take refuge in a charismatic leader to tell them everything is going to be all right if they give him the power to fix it.

Seeing as how the far-left will be expanding their control exponentially at this time in your scenario, I doubt the disenfranchised "conservatives" would look for a leader like that. It'll probably be more of a Fred Thompson type of guy who says what he wants to say and doesn't take .

[ElNono]

Maybe she just thought, " it, this country of ungrateful ignorant herd americants doesn't deserve my time. I will retire in beautiful alaska with my beautiful family making beautiful millions of dollars. Let them waste away with their idiot government while I relax and enjoy life."

Right now we have a government that cares more about growing themselves than the economy. And you fools think it could be so much worse. You are a joke.

I don't like what Obama is doing any more than you do. But don't think for a second this political class can't do worse.

[Ignignokt]

Like we could be so lucky.

Maybe she really is leaving politics, but is so utterly inarticulate that she can't even get the words "I am leaving politics" out of her mouth. However, I doubt it.

My biggest frustration is not with her. I mean, my goodness, I know probably fifty people just like her. Now, none of them should be President. My frustration is that deep down I think I understand her appeal. Now first of all, many, many people, namely white middle-aged men, are just so devoid of thought that they simply see this good-looking 44-year-old woman who can shoot a gun, wish they had her instead of their own wives, and think that by voting for her, it's like having her by proxy.

But more than that, I think there are a lot of people, like the fifty women in my circle who are just like her, who are just so beat down every day, because they are totally bewildered by the world around them and how fast it changes, how they not only don't have the skills to get a decent job in this economy, they don't even know what those skills might be, how their kids are ending up with values totally different from theirs, and they don't even know where it's coming from much less how to deal with it, and they see this lady, with no more knowledge or skills than they have, who has a family just as screwed up as theirs, yet who somehow became governor of a real actual U.S. state. When she gets on TV and can't put together a coherent sentence to answer a question, they see themselves in her because they didn't understand the question either.

And what that tells me is that a lot of conservative politics in 2009 is the iden y politics of people whose parents and grandparents were on top, relatively speaking, but who themselves are being left behind. Conservatism is not about any kind of ideology of smaller government or lower spending or lower taxes or traditional values anymore. Lip service might be paid to those things, but they are just empty words and empty ideas serving as shibboleths. Sure, there are think tanks working out how to reconcile conservative principles with today's problems, but nobody is really paying any attention to the Newt Gingriches of the world. Being an educated conservative defeats the purpose, because the rank-and-file have no idea what the "educated" conservative is talking about, and if he's "educated" then he's probably not being left in the dust by the modern world like they are anyway.

And if that's what conservatism is now, then conservatism is dead. We can look over and over again at history to see what comes of a political climate where a large group of people who think they used to be on top find themselves being left behind culturally, economically, and politically. Right-wing politics ceases to be about any kind of ideological "conservatism" and becomes populist and authoritarian.

, still waiting..

[SonOfAGun]

lol recession.

She will leave a $160k job and get a pay raise.

[Ignignokt]

what a sad little man...

[Winehole23]

Fred Barnes predicts a Palin return to presidential politics...in 2020.

[Wild Cobra]

Palin would be such a bad candidate that half would like her and the other half wouldn't.

Funny how the only people who believe such bull are the liberals and RINOs.

[ElNono]

Funny how the only people who believe such bull are the liberals and RINOs.

Which happens to be what, 50% of the electorate?

[Wild Cobra]

Fred Barnes predicts a Palin return to presidential politics...in 2020.

I'm not going to bother reading that article, but the idea makes sense. She has a special needs child, and can stay at home writing her book. He will be 12 then and not need full time attention.

[boutons_deux]

pitbull plays to the extreme right wing/"Christian" supremacists/right-wing-terrorists/bubbas/sheeple/red-state dumb s/militia men/nativists/NRA whacko industry. The "conservative" honchos see her as another ignorant, feckless, manipulable, idea-free, in-WAY-over-her-head puppet, as dubya was.

[Winehole23]

You know, when a dog vomits and then eats the vomit?

Your post was like that, b_d.

Re-breakfast.

[Winehole23]

Ick.

[Extra Stout]

Just face it you little weasel, you judged her family by Bristol's action and now you look like a jackass.

So unless you had another reason why you said their family was ed up, unless you know something that we all don't know.. enlighten us.

Maybe you really are just that stupid? I don't know.

Yes, having a child who gets pregnant as a teen with a piece of trash like that Levi Johnston character, and having to deal with that, and then having the sister-in-law go to prison, qualifies as having a screwed-up family. Lots of people have screwed-up families. It doesn't mean they are bad people. Somebody might question their fitness for leadership, but then again, Bill Clinton's background was pretty screwed up.

But see, that was obvious from the context. The context was that people with traditional family values whose families nonetheless end up a mess might identify with Palin. But because you a liar and a malelovent piece of garbage who specializes not in debate but rather in twisting words, and then just calling people gay when that doesn't work out, so you try to turn it into some judgment against Palin as a mom. I never said that, implied that, or otherwise. You are a vile liar.

So don't talk to me about acting like a adult. You are utterly worthless, devoid of character, devoid of value.

[Extra Stout]

You know, when a dog vomits and then eats the vomit?

Your post was like that, b_d.

Re-breakfast.

Ignore him. I think he has Internet Tourette's.

[Winehole23]

The johnny-one-note routine finally wore me down. But you're right, and I usually do.

[Ignignokt]

Maybe you really are just that stupid? I don't know.

Yes, having a child who gets pregnant as a teen with a piece of trash like that Levi Johnston character, and having to deal with that, and then having the sister-in-law go to prison, qualifies as having a screwed-up family. Lots of people have screwed-up families. It doesn't mean they are bad people. Somebody might question their fitness for leadership, but then again, Bill Clinton's background was pretty screwed up.

But see, that was obvious from the context. The context was that people with traditional family values whose families nonetheless end up a mess might identify with Palin. But because you a liar and a malelovent piece of garbage who specializes not in debate but rather in twisting words, and then just calling people gay when that doesn't work out, so you try to turn it into some judgment against Palin as a mom. I never said that, implied that, or otherwise. You are a vile liar.

So don't talk to me about acting like a adult. You are utterly worthless, devoid of character, devoid of value.

Well, it did seem that way, ass. And no one called you gay here.

Like we could be so lucky.

Maybe she really is leaving politics, but is so utterly inarticulate that she can't even get the words "I am leaving politics" out of her mouth. However, I doubt it.

My biggest frustration is not with her. I mean, my goodness, I know probably fifty people just like her. Now, none of them should be President. My frustration is that deep down I think I understand her appeal. Now first of all, many, many people, namely white middle-aged men, are just so devoid of thought that they simply see this good-looking 44-year-old woman who can shoot a gun, wish they had her instead of their own wives, and think that by voting for her, it's like having her by proxy.

But more than that, I think there are a lot of people, like the fifty women in my circle who are just like her, who are just so beat down every day, because they are totally bewildered by the world around them and how fast it changes, how they not only don't have the skills to get a decent job in this economy, they don't even know what those skills might be, how their kids are ending up with values totally different from theirs, and they don't even know where it's coming from much less how to deal with it, and they see this lady, with no more knowledge or skills than they have, who has a family just as screwed up as theirs, yet who somehow became governor of a real actual U.S. state. When she gets on TV and can't put together a coherent sentence to answer a question, they see themselves in her because they didn't understand the question either.

And what that tells me is that a lot of conservative politics in 2009 is the iden y politics of people whose parents and grandparents were on top, relatively speaking, but who themselves are being left behind. Conservatism is not about any kind of ideology of smaller government or lower spending or lower taxes or traditional values anymore. Lip service might be paid to those things, but they are just empty words and empty ideas serving as shibboleths. Sure, there are think tanks working out how to reconcile conservative principles with today's problems, but nobody is really paying any attention to the Newt Gingriches of the world. Being an educated conservative defeats the purpose, because the rank-and-file have no idea what the "educated" conservative is talking about, and if he's "educated" then he's probably not being left in the dust by the modern world like they are anyway.

And if that's what conservatism is now, then conservatism is dead. We can look over and over again at history to see what comes of a political climate where a large group of people who think they used to be on top find themselves being left behind culturally, economically, and politically. Right-wing politics ceases to be about any kind of ideological "conservatism" and becomes populist and authoritarian.

Much less did i wish death upon anyone, coward.

[Extra Stout]

On second thought, Palin's family issues do piss me off, but it has nothing to do with her. The same people who eat up every word she says would cast her off as a failure as a mother, and her daughter as a dirty, welfare-queen , and her husband's family as swarthy criminals if she were anything but a white evangelical. She's in "the club," so she gets all the understanding and compassion, people identify with her, etc. But if she were outside "the club," every one would get on their family-values judgmental high horse.

[Ignignokt]

Ignignokt, you have nothing to say and never have. You pretend not to understand what people write so you can erect strawmen. Some people are ignorant, but you just pretend to be ignorant because you have a gift for lies. And then, of course, whenever you get called on it, you revert to filth like a 16-year-old. You are completely worthless.

Please go walk in front of a bus or find some other way to kill yourself. It's the best thing you could possibly do for the world.

what a horrible human being, this is the type of dirty s winehole defends.

[Ignignokt]

On second thought, Palin's family issues do piss me off, but it has nothing to do with her. The same people who eat up every word she says would cast her off as a failure as a mother, and her daughter as a dirty, welfare-queen , and her husband's family as swarthy criminals if she were anything but a white evangelical. She's in "the club," so she gets all the understanding and compassion, people identify with her, etc. But if she were outside "the club," every one would get on their family-values judgmental high horse.

Generalizing people eh?

And now you've shown the elitist prick you are.

And anyway, Sarah Palin is not responsible for her sister in law, don't know why you should be pissed of at the family for that. Most of us have atleast one messed up inlaw, doesn't mean we're are in anyway associated with them equally.

Thanks, for verifying my su ions.

[Winehole23]

Against you? Gladly, if ES needed the help.

He doesn't, though.

[Ignignokt]

Against you? Gladly, if ES needed the help.

He doesn't, though.

, in denial.

[Winehole23]

Do you believe your own lies, or are you just putting up a brave front?

[Marcus Bryant]

With Palin, I think a larger question is whether or not she really buys into political fundamentalism. If anything, she likely subscribes personally to a more libertine view of the world than she lets on. Social conservatives and social liberals alike have assumed they know her social views. Social cons assume she is one of them on every issue, social liberals assume she's the supreme fundy priestess they've been fearing or what not.

Children in small town Alaska are likely to mature earlier than, say, in surburban Chicago. Alaska itself is a libertine place and not necessarily rural Alabama. I think the reaction to her daughter's pregnancy reflects on the fact that childhood in most of these United States has now extended well beyond the end of high school. It's a foreign concept today in the United States that a 17 year old could raise a child and have a normal life, because that would end the extended childhood from which all suburban blessings flow.

And yes, hypocrisy reigns on both sides of the political aisle on this matter. The notion that parents, in particular their working mothers, be held accountable for their child's behavior goes against the conventional feminist infused political leftism. And of course the suburban social conservatives who are otherwise content to condemn unwed mothers and their entire families magically found compassion for Palin and were not ready to condemn her to an eternity in for her daughter not being pure until entering into Holy Matrimony.

I think one of Palin's major mistakes was allowing herself to be identified as a social conservative instead of embracing the natural libertarian bent of Alaska. But there I go projecting my own view on her.

[Marcus Bryant]

And oddly enough, Palin was the only major party candidate to have quoted Plato during the last federal election. But our definition of what it means to be "educated" these days naturally translates into which university did one attend. Are we to be comforted by the fact that the current Vice President has been a habitual plagiarist during his life, simply because he nonetheless attained one of those coveted trinkets of suburban life, a law degree?

[Ignignokt]

Do you believe your own lies, or are you just putting up a brave front?

i truly believe what i believe, i'm not however here claiming not being a rooting participant in this spat while my actions suggest otherwise.