The Minutemen: Protecting Merica'

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

I see I've hit a nerve.

No nerves hit, you're just a ing hypocrit. The only difference between democratic businessmen and republican businessmen is which party they donate to. They all use the same tax loop holes, they all cheat for profit wherever they can, they all hire illegals.

You lose your credibility, Johnny, when you posit that the only ones doing it are Republican big business.

Hypocrisy? You mean like being "for life" yet starting a war that has killed thousands?

Hypocrisy is criticizing the US for taking out a man who had killed HUNDREDS of thousands.

Being "for life" yet for the death penalty?

Golden rule. Don't take someone's life, and you don't have to worry about getting yours taken.

You want to talk about the right to life? The s on death row took away someone else's right to life, when they do that they cease to be human - they're a monster. They get what they deserve.

Being "for the American soldier" yet cutting veterans benefits?

Where do you see this at? Michael Moore talking points memo? , my sister is in the Army, involved on the medical side heavily, and if anything the momentum for taking care of veterans is picking up, not being cut.

Look, I'm really more of a libertarian than anything else. I have my opinions on a lot of things. But in reality the political structure in this country is set up as black or white, republican or democrat.

I go with the lesser of two evils, and from where I sit as a student of history the liberals haven't given this country anything in the last 20 years except:

Political correctness, lawsuit abuse, and the pathetic mindset that when something goes wrong in your life, blame someone else and sue them (lack of personal responsibility). And when all else fails, play the race card.

Given that track record, I think I'll go with the alternative, thank you very much.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

You would figure if terrorists were really smart, they'd have figured that out a long time ago.

You're an idiot. Do you think Osama is gonna go blow up a movie theater, say "ha ha, we came from Mexico", and call it a day?

The reason we haven't been attacked yet is because AQ is patient and they're going to wait until they can go for the jugular (with WMD).

The sad part is dip s like you who aren't educated outside of the nightly news won't figure it out until after it happens. Then you'll go and figure out which republican politician to blame it on, despite the democrats in D.C. sharing equal culpability in the complacency of defending our borders.

[ididnotnothat]

I've been sort of following this, but I have to come down on the side of caution, and go with the instincts of the many dozens of cops I have known: keep the civilians the out of it. They'll only 1)get hurt, 2)get a suspect hurt but most important 3) get a cop hurt.

[Useruser666]

Stereotyping

Clarification: I was implying that Johnny"Chavez"Marzetti was doing the stereotyping.

And has anyone here actually lived near the border for any period of time?

[MannyIsGod]

I was born 7 miles from the border, so the answer to that is yes.

[Guru of Nothing]

If I were a terrorist, what goes on at American borders would bother me, like not at all.

Seriously, what needs to happen (with regards to the Mexican border), is we need to come up with a satisfactory mechanism that allows manual laborers to cross our borders to work jobs no one else is willing to work, given the low pay.

People demand inexpensive goods.

Give the people what they want.

[mookie2001]

i support the minutemen
bush is keeping the borders wide open to keep the minimum wage down and increase the gap between the rich and the poor
and yes if youve got a strong back we can use you
but americans have strong backs too

[mookie2001]

get a cop hurt.

sweet

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

keep the minimum wage down and increase the gap between the rich and the poor

Yeah, it's all a plot against the poor folk.

[mookie2001]

thats what the wide open borders are accomplishing
nothing else

[mookie2001]

this disscusion between us, if im correct, you, a conservative and me, a liberal, should be the other way around, me defending the illegals and you scoffing them
since this is the bush presidency and he does things a little backwards, we find ourselves on the otherside of things

[The Ressurrected One]

If you're here illegally, you should be deported. Period.

You're draining the resources of American Citizens and those who have immigrated LEGALLY.

[JoeChalupa]

Selective deportation is a problem. If you have connections you will be allowed to stay if not..you'll be deported.

[The Ressurrected One]

Selective deportation is a problem. If you have connections you will be allowed to stay if not..you'll be deported.

I'm for deporting them all...and, in my mind, so should all LEGAL immigrants.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Look, I don't like illegal aliens being here. I think if you come legally, you're more than welcome to stay.

I also think there should be some kind of worker's permit for those wanting to come over and do the jobs others seem to scoff at.

I think you're a re anytime you try and bring this around to blaming Bush. Every president in recent history has been hands off with the illegal alien situation in order not to alienate the hispanic vote. Right or wrong, it won't change no matter what side of the aisle the president comes from.

[JoeChalupa]

I concur. Maybe the Statue of Liberty needs to have "legally" inserted?

[The Ressurrected One]

I concur. Maybe the Statue of Liberty needs to have "legally" inserted?

Well, since you brought it up...most of the people for whom that statue was erected, passed her beacon flame and welcoming message on their way to LEGAL immigration ports of entry.

So, yeah, maybe the word "legally" should be inserted somewhere.

[JoeChalupa]

There were also plenty who did come in illegally as well.
My problem is that "Mexican" has become associated with "illegal alien" and while the majority may be it seems that it lessens the fact that there are thousands, if not millions of illegals who have come from other countries as well, including European countries.

[The Ressurrected One]

There were also plenty who did come in illegally as well.
My problem is that "Mexican" has become associated with "illegal alien" and while the majority may be it seems that it lessens the fact that there are thousands, if not millions of illegals who have come from other countries as well, including European countries.

My outrage is color-blind. Send them all packing.

[JoeChalupa]

That is fair to me.

[MannyIsGod]

Joe, illegal's are made up by and large by hispanic people. I don't think millions of Euro illegals ever came, or are coming here.

[The Ressurrected One]

That does raise the legitimate question I know has probably been asked and answered but, for which I cannot recall the most recent justifications.

Why do illegal immigrants not seek to enter the country legally?

[MannyIsGod]

Oh dude, that's an easy one. The time frame, the likelyhood of being turned away, and the ease of crossing the border.

[The Ressurrected One]

Oh dude, that's an easy one. The time frame, the likelyhood of being turned away, and the ease of crossing the border.

In other words, there are no legitimate reasons for entering this country illegally?

So, why tolerate it?

[MannyIsGod]

exactly.