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Drazen Petrovic I'd agree for those who do not know or ever heard of this guy, he was the best European basketball player in the game till he had an untimely passing.
Those were words right out of MJ mouth
This is the 2nd page and everyone is leaving out Pau Gasol for a discussion.
Drazen Petrovic I'd agree for those who do not know or ever heard of this guy, he was the best European basketball player in the game till he had an untimely passing.
Those were words right out of MJ mouth
There is a reason why we are all leaving the guy from the list. he is not one of the best in league history there are and will be plenty of other far better than Pau Gasol......
No. I am a huge fan of Manu (as most here). But there are several players that are better than him. Dirk being one of them.
I guess the definition is blurred because the VI are a territory and most of us don't really know what that means, but VI citizens are Americans. I believe I've heard Duncan say he doesn't consider himself a foreign player, but I don't want to misquote him.
this is correct.
Manu is not, and has not been a better player than Dirk.
Manu's been on better teams and had better coaching...but he's not a better player.
Rik Smits was a very good player for Indiana and had 12 solid seasons with them avg 14.8 ppg for his career.
Detlef Schrempf was pretty good also, averaging 13.9 ppg over a 15 year NBA career. Not bad.
And Mychal Thompson from the Bahamas had a 12 year NBA career including 49 games with the Spurs and avg'd 13.7 ppg for his career.
Tell me you were joking here. Beckham doesn't qualify among the 10000000 billions best football players of all time.
Oscar Schmidt was better than many NBA hall of famers. Dirk isn't half the player Oscar was in his prime.
He isn't even one of the best right now. At his prime I'd say he was among the 500 best players in the world at that time.
If you went to a US College you shouldnt be considered an international player. Especially for this argument.
I would consider Manu to be the most accomplished International Basketball player.
However, Sabonis easily had the highest level of Basketball IQ among those noted. One could argue that Sabonis had the highest IQ of any post player.
Time to bust out the Sabonis Mixtape.
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Regarding Manu, if you're talking about international players on the NBA, no he isn't. Just because he came to the league a little bit late (age wise) to trully make a huge impact and 'cause he was never the main guy on his own team (which hurt his stats). But if you're talking about international players in general then yes he has to be right up there. I've seen more talented players than Manu in my life, even guys that didn't make it to the NBA, but I haven't seen a single player that has won what Manu won, and always beign a critical piece of those championship teams, not just a role player.
It's close, but I'd give the edge to Sabonis. Most of the people I've talked to who watched Euro ball when he was young say he was the Jordan of Europe.
If you take Manu's body of work both internationally or in the NBA, his accomplishments far exceed anything any of the other international scrubs have done. This man has won where ever he has played, so you base his level of greatness by his teams' success not by individual accolades.
That's not saying much considering that Euro ball was Euro crap pre Dream Team. How many Euro players during Sabonis's stint in Euro ball were actually viable NBA candidates?
True...but he also averaged 16/10/3 in the NBA in 1998 at 34 years old. Pretty damn impressive.
As I said, it's close...but Sabonis gets the nod IMO.
Sabonis didn't hit the NBA until he was a 30/31 year old rookie and his knees were pretty shot. It would have been incredible to see him play in the NBA during his prime. Not many people remember how different his game was for a 7' 3" center back then. It was unheard of to be that big and have such court vision. The 86 World Championships and 88 Olympics were more than impressive when the USA fell to the Soviets. Meethinks there was a center on both of those USA teams just a year younger than Sabonis that we might remember. I recall 5-0 not having a good time against him in 86 at all.
Dirk is a good player but he isn't a champion at NBA or International Ball
Quality post right there
I miss 2005 Ginobili.
you have a point here... and Yao
How delusional do you have to be to think Manu is better than Dirk?
About as delusional as you thinking Dirk is better than Duncan.How delusional do you have to be to think Manu is better than Dirk?
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