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    There are FACTS in that article. Please refute them.

    What the "Christian" white supremacists (mostly red-state losers where their state is happiloy on the take from federal handouts), incited on by corporate employees in the hate/wing-nut media, are doing is exactly spelled out in the article I posted about how fascism is installed.

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    This is for all you libs who think these townhall meetings are going to backfire on the Republicans. I took this excerpt from an article in the Financial Times.
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    Billed as a chance to sell healthcare reform to the American people in small meetings across the country, the town hall debates have seen protesters screaming at their elected representatives.

    In spite of hopes by proponents of reform that voters would be turned off by the sometimes ugly scenes, a poll yesterday from USA Today gave an indication that the debates were having the opposite effect.

    Some 34 per cent of respondents said the demonstrations had made them more sympathetic to the protesters, while 21 per cent said they were less sympathetic. In the all-important independents grouping, 35 per cent against 16 per cent said they were now more sympathetic to the protesters – a margin of more than two to one.
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    People are finally waking up and the blinders are coming off - and now there's going to be to pay. Sucks to be a politician in support of this so-called health insurance reform.

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    Think of it as akin to yelling fire into a theater...let's say a wing-nut, or group of wing-nuts start shooting up a townhall meeting (and of course, blames ACORN) , I think at the very least there may be some basis for a Civil suit on the part of any victims ...maybe criminal under RICO...

    No, no, no and no.

    Yelling fire in a theater is prohibited due to a very good reason... if there ISN'T a fire, then people could be injured due to stampeding mobs. The only usage of shouting "Fire" is if there IS a fire, which would theoretically lead to more deaths.

    That type of concern obviously isn't apparent with TV shows. If he wants to go on air and incite people to kill Nancy Pelosi, he could for all I care, as long as he's not pulling the trigger or making the plans.

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    I think the birthers, deathers, gunners, and teabaggers are bad for the GOP, very bad in the long term. It all seems designed to turn away everyone except southern white males.

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    This is for all you libs who think these townhall meetings are going to backfire on the Republicans. I took this excerpt from an article in the Financial Times.
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    Billed as a chance to sell healthcare reform to the American people in small meetings across the country, the town hall debates have seen protesters screaming at their elected representatives.

    In spite of hopes by proponents of reform that voters would be turned off by the sometimes ugly scenes, a poll yesterday from USA Today gave an indication that the debates were having the opposite effect.

    Some 34 per cent of respondents said the demonstrations had made them more sympathetic to the protesters, while 21 per cent said they were less sympathetic. In the all-important independents grouping, 35 per cent against 16 per cent said they were now more sympathetic to the protesters – a margin of more than two to one.
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    People are finally waking up and the blinders are coming off - and now there's going to be to pay. Sucks to be a politician in support of this so-called health insurance reform.
    This is another example of a phenomenon that had giant question marks of befuddlement growing above my head. Democrats were gleefully claiming that the health-care protests were turning off ordinary Americans and galvanizing support behind health care, while poll numbers showed support for health care reform, for Democrats, and for Barack Obama hemorrhaging! Barack is down to 47%!

    MIDDLE AMERICA IS IDENTIFYING WITH THE PROTESTERS!! THEY ARE SYMPATHETIC!!

    And yet every day there is another Democrat on TV calling the protesters un-American racist Nazi brownshirt fat idiot buffoons!! Don't the Democrats get it? Middle America thinks you're calling THEM un-American racist Nazi brownshirt fat idiot buffoons! Not the right-wing base! The middle-of-the-road voters who decide elections!!!!!!!

    The Democrats aren't "finishing off the last of the angry white males" like they think they are. They're revitalizing the right all by themselves!!!! It's like a soccer team that is gorging itself kicking the ball over and over into any empty goal -- without ever figuring out that it's their own goal!

    I don't get it. Do they just not see it? Are they so cloistered in their like-minded enclaves that they really think everybody is curling their noses in disgust at the protesters like they are? Are they really that dumb? Or is this some kind of Saul Alinsky judo where they're just trying to instill despair that the existing system could ever work? But in that case doesn't alienating the middle class totally defeat the purpose and hand the reins of radical reform to their opposition?

    What the are they thinking?

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    This is another example of a phenomenon that had giant question marks of befuddlement growing above my head. Democrats were gleefully claiming that the health-care protests were turning off ordinary Americans and galvanizing support behind health care, while poll numbers showed support for health care reform, for Democrats, and for Barack Obama hemorrhaging! Barack is down to 47%!

    MIDDLE AMERICA IS IDENTIFYING WITH THE PROTESTERS!! THEY ARE SYMPATHETIC!!

    And yet every day there is another Democrat on TV calling the protesters un-American racist Nazi brownshirt fat idiot buffoons!! Don't the Democrats get it? Middle America thinks you're calling THEM un-American racist Nazi brownshirt fat idiot buffoons! Not the right-wing base! The middle-of-the-road voters who decide elections!!!!!!!

    The Democrats aren't "finishing off the last of the angry white males" like they think they are. They're revitalizing the right all by themselves!!!! It's like a soccer team that is gorging itself kicking the ball over and over into any empty goal -- without ever figuring out that it's their own goal!

    I don't get it. Do they just not see it? Are they so cloistered in their like-minded enclaves that they really think everybody is curling their noses in disgust at the protesters like they are? Are they really that dumb? Or is this some kind of Saul Alinsky judo where they're just trying to instill despair that the existing system could ever work? But in that case doesn't alienating the middle class totally defeat the purpose and hand the reins of radical reform to their opposition?

    What the are they thinking?
    solid sucker punch. you think they'll figure out who hit them?

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    Extra Stout... cmon. You've seen Democrats in and out of power. are you really surprised that they have no idea what they're doing?

    To be fair, the Democrats are really made up of two different parties: Blue Dogs and Progressives. They both vote different ways in many cases, support different things, etc etc. It's just that, in a two party system, they've joined up together to beat Republicans. But that leaves Democrats looking neurotic when they have to vote or even function, in many areas.

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    Extra Stout... cmon. You've seen Democrats in and out of power. are you really surprised that they have no idea what they're doing?
    Dont fall for it.

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    This is another example of a phenomenon that had giant question marks of befuddlement growing above my head. Democrats were gleefully claiming that the health-care protests were turning off ordinary Americans and galvanizing support behind health care, while poll numbers showed support for health care reform, for Democrats, and for Barack Obama hemorrhaging! Barack is down to 47%!

    MIDDLE AMERICA IS IDENTIFYING WITH THE PROTESTERS!! THEY ARE SYMPATHETIC!!

    And yet every day there is another Democrat on TV calling the protesters un-American racist Nazi brownshirt fat idiot buffoons!! Don't the Democrats get it? Middle America thinks you're calling THEM un-American racist Nazi brownshirt fat idiot buffoons! Not the right-wing base! The middle-of-the-road voters who decide elections!!!!!!!

    The Democrats aren't "finishing off the last of the angry white males" like they think they are. They're revitalizing the right all by themselves!!!! It's like a soccer team that is gorging itself kicking the ball over and over into any empty goal -- without ever figuring out that it's their own goal!

    I don't get it. Do they just not see it? Are they so cloistered in their like-minded enclaves that they really think everybody is curling their noses in disgust at the protesters like they are? Are they really that dumb? Or is this some kind of Saul Alinsky judo where they're just trying to instill despair that the existing system could ever work? But in that case doesn't alienating the middle class totally defeat the purpose and hand the reins of radical reform to their opposition?

    What the are they thinking?



    They should have at least remained consistent. At first it was people like Robert Gibbs and Barbara Boxer insuating that this was an astroturf movement orchestrated by BIG insurance because they were "too well dressed". Soon afterward, you have Dip Pelosi calling them Nazis and un-American. The next theory floated out there was that all of these people were just racists because we have a POTUS that is half black. Finally, Harry Reid calls these people "evil-mongers".


    I guess their strategy was to try and marginalize these people, but it appears to be having the exact opposite effect.


    I have to hand it to the Democrats. This is the only thing that is unifying conservatives, moderates, and independents.

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    Neither party has proven competent at actual governing.

    Winning elections? Somewhat.

    Being the insurgent party out of power? Definitely.

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    I think I agree with Extra Stout in a few ways. But mainly the fact that I'm terrified of right-wing conservative idiots.

    I have absolutely no fear of North Korea with nukes, Iran with nukes, or Al-Qaeda with nukes. They don't scare me at all...because if you look back in history people are always taken down by psychos in their own country.

    Gandhi, Rabin, MLK, Kennedy, Sadat...all taken down by some of their own countrymen..not some outside threat.

    I'm terrified of these psychos who want nothing but to stock up on guns and hate the government. I'm terrified of these nuts who go into townhall meetings and just start shouting without having an intelligent thought in their head. Rather than speaking and listening all they can do is shout as loud as they can.

    It's like Morgan Freeman says in Chain Reaction..."There are many threats to our way of life...and not all of them wear uniforms and carry guns."

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    Hey, I'm all about killing liberals. When do we start?

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    Once we muster up the balls to make a few liberals bleed and die, they'll surrender like they always do and we'll take total power.

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    That type of concern obviously isn't apparent with TV shows. If he wants to go on air and incite people to kill Nancy Pelosi, he could for all I care, as long as he's not pulling the trigger or making the plans.
    but that's conspiracy...and since these wing-nut organizations share resource, many times where you can't tell a teabagger from a birther, that's crimnal conspiracy under RICO...

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    I have absolutely no fear of North Korea with nukes, Iran with nukes, or Al-Qaeda with nukes.

    I'm terrified of these nuts who go into townhall meetings and just start shouting without having an intelligent thought in their head. Rather than speaking and listening all they can do is shout as loud as they can.
    Are you serious?

    You're more terrified of gramps screaming at a congressman at a townhall you're not attending than you are of terrorists acquiring and detonating a nuclear weapon in a major American city?

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    I honestly believe that if an 84-year-man in a wheelchair started yelling at Duff McCartney about health care, Duff would curl up into a ball and start whimpering "Please don't hurt me! Please don't hurt me!" Typical liberal pussy.

    Guess what Duffy boy. We ARE coming for you.

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    Are you serious?

    You're more terrified of gramps screaming at a congressman at a townhall you're not attending than you are of terrorists acquiring and detonating a nuclear weapon in a major American city?
    It's not "gramps" that's screaming at town halls. It's half of America that to quote someone before me..."clings to their guns and religion."

    This country is gonna be destroyed but it's not gonna be by liberals. It's gonna be by those psycho conservatives that just want their guns and by hook or by crook will do anything to get them.

    Al-Qaeda are thousands of miles away...I live in Texas...these gun toting nuts are the majority of the population here. They live in my neighborhood..not in the desert of the Middle east.

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    Man, seeing your beloved one tanking in the polls is just causing you to lose it. Your sounding like Chris Mathews having a temper tantrum because The One isn't doing such a great job.

    Politics is politics. The game the right is playing is the same game the left played. If you want to get mad then get mad at Obama. He's the one making one political blunder after another.
    What happened to organizations like Code Pink when they started shouting out anti-war rhetoric at townhall meetings or other legislator appearances? Escorted out if they were lucky, tazed if not...why aren't these anti-reform protestors being escorted out? Why aren't they being tazed?



    ...it's not the same, nothings the same..
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    I honestly believe that if an 84-year-man in a wheelchair started yelling at Duff McCartney about health care, Duff would curl up into a ball and start whimpering "Please don't hurt me! Please don't hurt me!" Typical liberal pussy.

    Guess what Duffy boy. We ARE coming for you.
    I wouldn't curl up. I don't give a damn about an 84-year old man. He'll be dead in less than 20 years..while I'll still be alive. What do you think I'm gonna do? Drop kick an old man in a wheelchair? Please.

    I have no reason to do anything to an old guy in a wheelchair. He has done nothing to me.

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    Good blog entry by Mic e Goldberg on topic...are we on track for something bigger than Oklahoma City?

    Why the White Militias Are Back
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    Outbreaks of this sort of thing often happen when conservatives are out of power. With Republicans in office, the right wing doesn’t generally mind expanding government. During the Bush years, the dominant movements on the right were neoconservatism and a nationalist evangelical Christianity that was more interested in merging with the government than overthrowing it. Now, with the Obama administration, we’re seeing the emergence of an older, perennial style of American reaction that often accompanies periods of liberal ascendancy. It is isolationist and defensive, paranoid about government, and prone to conspiracy theories about subversive global elites.

    “It helps to step back and see the militias as a particular manifestation of a form of right-wing populism known as the Patriot movement,” says Chip Berlet, a senior analyst at Political Research Associates, a think tank that studies the right wing. “The Patriot movement has been around a long time. Probably the best-known precursor in recent times was the John Birch Society, which was big in the '60s. They made pretty much all of the claims you’re hearing now—tyranny, income tax as socialism, the United Nations, gun control. There’s nothing new in any of this except the Obama birth-certificate stuff.”

    And even that has precedents. With FDR, Berlet points out, there were rumors that his name was really Franklin Delano Rosenfeld. “The idea that aliens are secretly taking over—it’s the same narrative writ much larger {now} because of white fear.”

    Race adds a particularly combustible element to the mix. “A key difference this time is that the federal government—the en y that almost the entire radical right views as its primary enemy—is headed by a black man,” says the Southern Poverty Law Center report. “That, coupled with high levels of non-white immigration and a decline in the percentage of whites overall in America, has helped to racialize the Patriot movement, which in the past was not primarily motivated by race hate.”

    Essentially the anti-immigrant movement, the Patriot movement, and old-fashioned Dixiecrat racism are all merging. “The fast growth of the militias is troubling, but it’s in the context of something that’s more broad, and that’s in some ways more troubling,” says Levin. “This underlying stuff—whether it’s manifested at town halls, manifested on talk radio, manifested by lone wolves, it’s all part of a spectrum of the same phenomenon.”

    In the past, the combination of fury, dispossession, wild su ion, and weaponry has led to serious violence, and few who study the right wing expect things to be different this time around. “I’m not sure we’re at the same point we were right before the Oklahoma City bombing, but certainly things are continuing to heat up and could really become explosive,” says Potok.
    The Daily Beast

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    It's not "gramps" that's screaming at town halls. It's half of America that to quote someone before me..."clings to their guns and religion."

    This country is gonna be destroyed but it's not gonna be by liberals. It's gonna be by those psycho conservatives that just want their guns and by hook or by crook will do anything to get them.

    Al-Qaeda are thousands of miles away...I live in Texas...these gun toting nuts are the majority of the population here. They live in my neighborhood..not in the desert of the Middle east.
    That's a real mature at ude.

    So, to be clear, if al Qaeda gets nuclear weapons, you're not worried. Is that right?

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    That's a real mature at ude.

    So, to be clear, if al Qaeda gets nuclear weapons, you're not worried. Is that right?
    Yep.

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    an al-qaeda attack would unite everyone.

    a redneck right-wing ball would incite everyone.

    you understand that, right?

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    Why wouldn't that worry you?

    Give me something more than "they live thousands of miles away." The al Qaeda operatives who attacked us on 9/11 were living in the United States.

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    I find it very funny that libs like Duff and others on this board are so afraid of conservatives - you know, us bitter people clinging to our God and our guns. And the libs are deathly afraid of Rush Limbaugh - that's why they can't stop talking about him.

    What you should be afraid of is us taking back our government from the liberal idiots.

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