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What's your threshold then?
How many shots?
Being 20-25% less likely to make a given shot makes no difference at all.
Uh no...because Tim Duncan takes more shots than any other guy on the team...I would consider that signifigant.
Am I to understand that you want Barry to take as many shots per game as Duncan?
What's your threshold then?
How many shots?
Being 20-25% less likely to make a given shot makes no difference at all.
Also let me know when 2/3rds of the shots Duncan takes are 3 pointers....
Let me know when that explains any difference between Barry's 3pt shooting at home and on the road.Also let me know when 2/3rds of the shots Duncan takes are 3 pointers.
Further flaws in your analysis...
Barry's FTA have been going through the roof lately...in fact he lead out team in scoring aganst Dallas(in a road game by the way) because of what he did at the line..
I don't know if you realize this or not but if a player is fouled on a shot attempt it doesn't count as a shot...so your point that Barry is actually shooting less on the road is bunk. It's something that is totally unprovable by casually looking at boxscores...
That's simple enough to explain...3 point shots being of greater distance makes them harder to hit...in general terms it is harder to shoot on the road than at home...so it's not hard to conclude that 3 pointers become even harder to hit...
But you are getting way of track here...
Barry was in the heart of his slump already when we started a 3 game road tripe...he bottomed out and overcame that slump after Duncan and Devin Brown went out with injury....so I think his 3 point differential on road VS home is because of that moreso than some kind of vast disparity in his home vs road performance because of it being a home or road game...
If he's getting fouled in the act.
Something else that can't be proven.
The numbers for the shots he has taken that do count all season remain, and you've done nothing to disprove any of that.
I wholeheartedly acknowledge Barry's FT shooting. Bravo.
Harder for Barry than others on the team, relatively speaking -- I will add that Brown and Beno have similar problems from the arc. You can make the argument it's about minutes, but shouldn't Barry be doing better now with more minutes instead of much worse?That's simple enough to explain...3 point shots being of greater distance makes them harder to hit...in general terms it is harder to shoot on the road than at home...so it's not hard to conclude that 3 pointers become even harder to hit...7 shots? No, you can't chalk up all his road 3pt shooting problems over an entire season to one 2-7 stretch.Barry was in the heart of his slump already when we started a 3 game road tripe...he bottomed out and overcame that slump after Duncan and Devin Brown went out with injury....so I think his 3 point differential on road VS home is because of that moreso than some kind of vast disparity in his home vs road performance because of it being a home or road game...
11 pct points can mean millions of dollars' difference on a role player's contract. Would Fred Hoiberg have a job if he shot 29% from beyond the arc for his career?
et tu Spurminator?
?Que?
Look, Barry isn't the only Spur guard with this problem -- I think it's one of the Spurs' biggest problems going into the playoffs behind health. We just happened to be talking about Barry.
So tell me oh brilliant one...do you think a player is more likely to recive a beneficial foul call on a shot attempt at home or on the road?
The numbers for the shots he has taken that do count all season remain, and you've done nothing to disprove any of that.
I wholeheartedly acknowledge Barry's FT shooting. Bravo.
Why don't you just figure out if he's gotten more minutes on the road when the team was healthy or if it was injured...
I think that'll give you the most correct answer...and explanation for the disparity.
And I contend that Barry has been very bit as clutch on the road as at home...if not moreso...that his opportunities in those situations have been fewer on the road...and that if he was given as much opportunity the disparity in his home road PCT's would not be as great...
IF you stop and look you will see the fewer shots on the road in the past month backs my point up and not yours...like I said at the beginning...he was 1-5 in that Phoenix game too...until the final 2 minutes.
Does that have anything to do with the shots that do count?do you think a player is more likely to recive a beneficial foul call on a shot attempt at home or on the road?Already did. And he's shooting worse for the shots that count while playing more.Why don't you just figure out if he's gotten more minutes on the road when the team was healthy or if it was injured...It doesn't hurt my argument at all.IF you stop and look you will see the fewer shots on the road in the past month backs my point up and not yours.Which does nothing to explain the other 20 minutes he's playing. if all you want to do is focus on that, be my guest, but don't try to act like that's the only thing that can ever count in the course of an entire season.like I said at the beginning...he was 1-5 in that Phoenix game too...until the final 2 minutes.
He won't get that opportunity if they're far behind due to bad shooting during the rest of the game.
Well that's stupid...luckily for the Lakers Phil Jackson didn't have that same mindset or else Horry would have never been on the court to hit those shots...luckily Pop didn't have other options with Horry last night or we probably lose...just don't say Barry can't handle the pressure if he's not being given a chance when there actually is pressure.
Lots of players go 1-5 to open games....and some of them go on to score 40 points...
His guards shot really well on the road.Well that's stupid...luckily for the Lakers Phil Jackson didn't have that same mindset.Duh.just don't say Barry can't handle the pressure if he's not being given a chance when the pressure is on.
Since Barry never did, let's just agree that was a stupid thing to post.Lots of players go 1-5 to open games....and some of them go on to score 40 points...
Link? And I wasn't talking about guards...I was talking Robert Horry...
And I could say the same thing about Rudy T...about 10 years ago we lost game 1 of the WCF...the guy who hit the game winning shot was named Robert Horry...and it was the only shot he made of the game.
but by all means...continue to lose stupidly instead of win smartly, label the guys who aren't even on the court as chokers, and blame them for the loss when they aren't even on the court...and hey......Let's get Parker to handle the ball and take that shot instead.
Regardless of the statistics, barry was playing very passively towards the end of the game(before OT)
he was doing touch passes over and over again for a while
then he drove once and turned it over
then he was out, and yeah that offensive rebound and assist was clutch
i'd just like to see him more aggressive during the earlier game time instead of just passing it to manu and hoping for the best
The criticism that Barry can get too passive has merit...the criticism that he is heartless or chokes due to pressure does not...but he's never been a "scorer" in his career...he's a shooter/passer/playmaker type.
Link to Kobe?Link?Who is a guard?I was talking Robert Horry...Link to where I said any of this. You're losing it, hootie.but by all means...continue to lose stupidly instead of win smartly, label the guys who aren't even on the court as chokers, and blame them for the loss when they aren't even on the court...and hey......Let's get Parker to handle the ball and take that shot instead.Link to where I said the latter.The criticism that Barry can get too passive has merit...the criticism that he is heartless or chokes due to pressure does not.I'm glad you included "shooter."he's a shooter/passer/playmaker type.
Yes...a link to Kobe most definitely...and the other "guards" although it really isn't necessary since you named a guard who is known for excelling in the 4th quarter...I think you proved my point on why it's stupid to not play someone in the clutch based on what they did earlier in the game.
Who can often be found where guards usually are as he hits game winning 3 pointers after a largely mediocre game...Who is a guard?
I didn't say you said any of that but you certainly defended that mentality when you defended not playing a player in the crunch based on him shooting poorly in the early parts of game...no need for a link, it's just a couple of posts up.Link to where I said any of this.
I am not losing it...the pressure is on and you are folding and taking a leap off the cliff of stupidity as you often do when you are losing an argument...You're losing it, hootie.Link to where I said the latter. I'm glad you included "shooter."
It shant be long now before the liar labeling and hair splitting starts...I know your bailout routine well.
If that was the argument, that would be great. It isn't.I think you proved my point on why it's stupid to not play someone in the clutch based on what they did earlier in the game.When did I say don't play him? See, this is where you continue to lose it -- you get off topic then you start making up.I didn't say you said any of that but you certainly defended that mentality when you defended not playing a player in the crunch based on him shooting poorly in the early parts of game...no need for a link, it's just a couple of posts up.Then prove it -- show the quote where I said don't play him.I am not losing it.
Maybe you're making up -- maybe you're confused. Just find the quote where i said don't play Barry in crunch time in this thread.
Then apologize when you can't.
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