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    Here's eurobasket.com's list of A1 stat leaders for the major categories from last season.

    Points: Steven Smith (USA) - No NBA games played. 46 D-League games played.

    Rebounds: Torin Francis (USA) - No NBA games played.

    Assists: Thodoros Papaloukas (Greece) - congratulations!

    Steals: Aaron Miles (USA) - 22 NBA games played. 27 D-League games played.

    Blocks: DeVon Hardin (USA) - No NBA games played.
    You are a funny guy. You post this to prove what? That only one player on the list (the Greek one) is able to actually make the roster of a good club in Europe?

    The rest of them cannot even make the roster of a good club. You are a funny guy with the crap you post. You embarrass yourself over and over.

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    According to Eurobasket, the majority of top ten players in every major statistical category consists of American scrubs.

    USA > Greece.

    Even in Greece.

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    Why do the Euro clubs waste the most money on Childress?

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    Here is eurobasket.com's current list of Americans in Greece's A1 league. With a couple of notable excpetions, all these players either washed out of the NBA or never even made it out of an NBA training camp.

    Avery William 188 G 79 Trikalla (A1)
    Batiste Mike 203 F 77 Panathinaikos (A1)
    Baxter Lonny 203 C 79 Panionios (A1)
    Belser Corey 200 F 82 Olimpia L. (A1)
    Bracey Chris 198 F 80 ESTIA Egaleo (A1)
    Bryant Travon 206 F 83 AEK (A1)
    Calathes Nick 198 G 89 Panathinaikos (A1)
    Calathes Pat 208 G/F 85 C.C. Marousi (A1)
    Childress Josh 203 G/F 83 Olympiakos (A1)
    Clark Keydren 173 G 84 Aris (A1)
    Daniels Will 203 F 86 Kavala/P. (A1)
    Gardner Jelani 198 G 75 Trikalla (A1)
    Greer Lynn 186 G 79 Olympiakos (A1)
    Grundy Anthony 189 G 79 Panellinios (A1)
    Hardin DeVon 211 C 86 ESTIA Egaleo (A1)
    Harris Lans 196 G 84 VAP Kolossos (A1)
    Johnsen Britton 208 F 79 PAOK (A1)
    Keys William A. 188 G 77 C.C. Marousi (A1)
    Martin Torrelll 196 G/F 85 Kavala/P. (A1)
    Massie Chris 206 F 77 Trikalla (A1)
    McGrath Donnie 193 G 84 ESTIA Egaleo (A1)
    Miles Aaron 186 G 83 Panionios (A1)
    Nelson Spencer 203 F 80 Aris (A1)
    Nicholas Andrew 191 G 81 Panathinaikos (A1)
    Pargo Jannero 187 G 79 Olympiakos (A1)
    Patterson A. 204 F/C 75 ESTIA Egaleo (A1)
    Shakur Mustafa 190 G 84 Panellinios (A1)
    Sims Lewis 203 F/C 73 ESTIA Egaleo (A1)
    Smith Steven 203 F 83 VAP Kolossos (A1)
    Stevenson J. 200 F 75 C.C. Marousi (A1)
    Taylor Donell 198 G 82 ESTIA Egaleo (A1)
    Thomas Jamel 198 F/G 76 Olimpia L. (A1)
    Thompson D.J. 173 G 85 AEK (A1)
    Wright Bracey 191 G 84 Aris (A1)

    Here's eurobasket.com's current list of Greek players in the NBA:

    Koufos Kosta
    And there is only 2 players on the list that are good at Greek league level. Nicholas and Batiste. The others are either considered average (like let's say Childress) or terrible (like let's say Pargo).

    And besides that list is obviously not "current". So do you have the ability to make a good point even once in history of your time in this forum?

    There is ONLY 2 good players in Greek league from that entire list. The rest are average or below average and some of them suck.

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    You are a funny guy. You post this to prove what? That only one player on the list (the Greek one) is able to actually make the roster of a good club in Europe?
    I agree those are bad teams because of they don't allow more Americans to be on them.

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    According to Eurobasket, the majority of top ten players in every major statistical category consists of American scrubs.

    USA > Greece.

    Even in Greece.
    You are a stupid guy.

    These players you brag about playing for teams like AEL and Egaleo and such...............you would be really laughed out of EVERY international sports forum on internet.

    The very best player on these small types of clubs would not even make it as a 15th man on the bigger clubs.

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    And there is only 2 players on the list that are good at Greek league level. Nicholas and Batiste. The others are either considered average (like let's say Childress) or terrible (like let's say Pargo).
    There are no Greeks playing at a good level in the NBA.

    And besides that list is obviously not "current". So do you have the ability to make a good point even once in history of your time in this forum?
    I said it was eurobasket's list. I'm not going to waste my time bringing it up to date because my point that there are far more Americans playing well in Greece than Greeks playing in the NBA is proved and would only be reinforced.

    There is ONLY 2 good players in Greek league from that entire list. The rest are average or below average and some of them suck.
    There is only one Greek in the NBA and he sucks.

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    I agree those are bad teams because of they don't allow more Americans to be on them.
    Each Greek club is allowed 3 Greek players now they changed the rule. You are really funny though...........Devon Hardin? I almost fell out of my chair. Maybe the worst big man in Greek League last year and this guy is an NBA draft pick. Please give me a break.

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    USA > Greece in basketball, that is a given.....

    KBP.....not only do Americans dominate Greeks on the basketball court....they also dominate the conversations.....notice we are speaking American in all of these arguments, not Greek? USA OWNS.......now run along and eat your gyro.

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    Doug Collins, Coach K, and Mike D'Antoni also said at Olympics that he would be the best point guard in the NBA if he got a fair coach. But you are smarter than them about the issue right?
    You couldn't be more full of if you were Rosie O'Donnell's asscrack

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    Each Greek club is allowed 3 Greek players now they changed the rule.
    You mean three American players?

    Why three?

    You are really funny though...........Devon Hardin? I almost fell out of my chair. Maybe the worst big man in Greek League last year and this guy is an NBA draft pick. Please give me a break.
    I agree he's a scrub, but he led the league in blocks. That's how horrible Greek basketball is.

    It is dominated by American scrubs so badly that their numbers are restricted out of fear.

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    And you are also wrong. Steve Smith has played in NBA before and he did not lead Greek league in scoring.

    Also Hardin is an NBA draft pick from just last year. Smith is decent player for Greek level, Francis is below average and Hardin bad for the level.

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    You are a stupid guy.

    These players you brag about playing for teams like AEL and Egaleo and such...............you would be really laughed out of EVERY international sports forum on internet.

    The very best player on these small types of clubs would not even make it as a 15th man on the bigger clubs.
    the very best Greek player sucked in the NBA.

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    the best team in Greece, couldnt beat the worst team in the NBA


    Panathinaikos would crush and annihilate the scrub NBA teams.


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    You couldn't be more full of if you were Rosie O'Donnell's asscrack
    Doug Collins said it after Greece Argentina game.

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    Panathinaikos would crush and annihilate the scrub high school teams.

    fify

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    Panathinaikos would crush and annihilate the scrub NBA teams.

    Who?

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    Doug Collins said it after Greece Argentina game.
    link? proof? video? ANYTHING? I could say Doug Collins said I could be the best player in the NBA with a good coach too, but that doesn't mean without proof.

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    And you are also wrong. Steve Smith has played in NBA before and he did not lead Greek league in scoring.
    He led the A1 league in points per game according to eurobasket.

    And I apologize, he played 8 games for the 76ers, averaging 0.6 points and 0.8 rebounds. Now he's a starter in the sucky Greek league.

    Also Hardin is an NBA draft pick from just last year. Smith is decent player for Greek level, Francis is below average and Hardin bad for the level.
    According to eurobasket, they are the league average leaders in their categories. If you have something that says otherwise, post it.

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    Doug Collins is a nimrod....if you are taking his word as gospel, then prepare for , fire, and brimstone.

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    lol

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    KBP, please answer my question. You misunderstand me. I never said the Childress was the best player.

    I just asked why was he paid the largest contract in the Euroleague when he sucks? What is the reasoning behind it?

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    6 Americans considered good at Greek level last year. Most all those players listed by chump not found here and also no Childress and Pargo. Most of those American players didn't win last year either team wise or individual wise in Greek league but chump is bragging about putting up stats in some small club.......

    See for yourself since he loves to claim eurobasket.com as the source for who are the best players last year in Greece. I highlight Spanoulis and also the Americans.

    http://www.eurobasket.com/reports/2009/6/7.asp

    All-Greek A1 League Awards 2008-2009

    Player of the Year - Vassilis Spanoulis (193-G-82) of Panathinaikos Athens

    Guard of the Year - Vassilis Spanoulis (193-G-82) of Panathinaikos Athens

    Forward of the Year - Jarod Stevenson (200-F-75) of Costa Cafe Marousi

    Center of the Year - Nikola Pekovic (210-C-86) of Panathinaikos Athens

    Most Improved Player of the Year - Manolis Papamakarios (190-G-80) of Panellinios Athens

    Bosman Player of the Year - Nikola Pekovic (210-C-86) of Panathinaikos Athens

    Import Player of the Year - Mike Batiste (203-F-77) of Panathinaikos Athens

    Domestic Player of the Year - Vassilis Spanoulis (193-G-82) of Panathinaikos Athens

    Defensive Player of the Year - Dimitris Diamantidis (196-G-80) of Panathinaikos Athens

    Coach of the Year - Soulis Markopoulos of Marousi

    1st Team
    Vassilis Spanoulis (193-G-82) of Panathinaikos Athens
    Lynn Greer (186-G-79) of Olympiakos S.F.P. Pireus
    Jarod Stevenson (200-F-75) of Costa Cafe Marousi
    Giannis Bourousis (212-C-83) of Olympiakos S.F.P. Pireus
    Nikola Pekovic (210-C-86) of Panathinaikos Athens

    2nd Team
    Sarunas Jasikevicius (192-G-76) of Panathinaikos Athens
    Andrew Nicholas (191-G-81) of Panathinaikos Athens
    Prodromos Nikolaidis (201-F-78) of AS Trikalla 2000
    Loukas Mavrokefalides (207-C-84) of Costa Cafe Marousi
    Mike Batiste (203-F-77) of Panathinaikos Athens

    Honorable Mention
    Konstantinos Charalampidis (189-G-76) of Costa Cafe Marousi
    Anthony Grundy (189-G-79) of Panellinios Athens
    Steven Smith (203-F-83) of VAP Kolossos
    Kostas Kaimakoglou (206-C/F-83) of Costa Cafe Marousi
    Andrew Betts (216-C-77) of Aris Thessaloniki
    Aaron Miles (186-G-83) of Panionios ON Telecoms Athens


    Also the ONLY American player that won a team award was Batiste. NBA fans "Pargo and Childress dominate Greece"

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    KBP, please answer my question. You misunderstand me. I never said the Childress was the best player.

    I just asked why was he paid the largest contract in the Euroleague when he sucks? What is the reasoning behind it?
    Olympiacos owners are NBA only fans just like almost all NBA fans are. The owners of Olympiacos grew up in Chicago and they were Bulls fans and had season tickets court side during Jordan era.

    They are just like other NBA fans and believe the lie that a player like Ryan Bowen (who was cut by TAU for poor play - yet has played many years in NBA) would "dominate in Europe" because "the worst player in NBA would average 30 and be MVP of Europe".

    Olympiacos owners are just as re ed as most other NBA fans.

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    And you are also wrong. Steve Smith has played in NBA before and he did not lead Greek league in scoring.
    If you want to go by total points scored, fine.

    The A1 leader in total points was Anthony Grundy (USA) - 26 NBA games played, 44 D-League games played.

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