Strikeforce: Fedor vs Brett Rogers

[LEONARD]

I am not sure where your at ude towards Leonard stems from

That makes 2 of us...

[LEONARD]

Maynard will own you all day man. He'd smash you.

Yes. Luckily, I've never stated the same. You got me France, because you can't read.

Yes. That was exactly your stance in the topic of Fedor signing. You didn't come out and say "I think it would be better if he signed with the UFC." You came out and defended SF's stable of fighters from EVERYBODY who posts here on this board. You defended each of the Heaveyweights and said UFC had no compe ion for him by listing an article that debunked the UFC heavyweight stable and made your own list to dismiss them as well. I guess I understand by reading that, that everyone should know HOW you think FEDOR should be in the UFC. That conversation alone makes it all too clear France.

Here was my initial response to Fedor signing with SF...

Bummer, but not shocking...

I'm interested in Overeem, Rogers, and Werdum...and Barnett in Japan (I'm sure). I'm pissed that we don't get to see Fedor expose Lesnar, but the guys he'll be fighting are in the same group with most of the other guys the UFC has to offer (right now at least). The UFC has some nice up and coming fighters, but it's not like the stash of guys are much better than what SF can throw at him.

Lesnar - would love to see it due to the hype factor, but there is still a lot we don't know about Lesnar
Couture - give me a break...not at this point in his career
Mir - severely over-rated after beating a depleted Nog...Lesnar proved that
Carwin - love Carwin, but he's got some big holes in his game (Gonzaga almost exposed them). He could matchup well with Lesnar though based on having similar strengths and weaknesses.
Cain - great chin and wrestling, but not much else at this point. Kongo torched him standing.
Gonzaga - no heart
Dos Santos - we'll see
Nog - already beat him, no interest
CC - already beat him, no interest (Dos Santos is going to end this UFC run I'm afraid)

"most of the other guys"...that is, aside from Lesnar...and I said MOST. Carwin and Cain are up there too but both have huge holes that Fedor could expose. As for the rest...

I was right about Mir.

Couture has nothing for Fedor at this point.

No interest in Nog or CC.

So where exactly did I get so crazy that you decided to fabricate personal attacks on myself and my family??

[oligarchy]

I've stated that I would prefer that Fedor be in the UFC

Where does it state that? I don't see it.

The point is YOU don't know how Fedor would do against ANY of those guys. You thought CroCop would be the UFC heavyweight champion.

[LEONARD]

Where does it state that? I don't see it.

The point is YOU don't know how Fedor would do against ANY of those guys. You thought CroCop would be the UFC heavyweight champion.

and so did everybody else...but the CC that came to the UFC wasn't the same...

I'm not digging up every f'n quote...I didn't say it in that quote, but I've said it several times. I would love for nothing more than to see Fedor in the UFC...

I know that Randy, Nog, and Mir for sure have nothing for Fedor...the others for the most part are guys early in their career that we don't know too much about yet (like Rogers). Doesn't mean they're not dangerous or the next big thing...not far enough along to tell.

[Evan]

You thought CroCop would be the UFC heavyweight champion.

I figured he would retire with the belt. UFC HW division was beyond pathetic at that time.

[LEONARD]

I figured he would retire with the belt. UFC HW division was beyond pathetic at that time.

No Evan...it was JUST me!! I'm the ing idiot here...get it right...

[Evan]

When CC signed there was not a blog, forum or site that didn't have a "who will compete for the UFC heavyweight le once CC takes it" type story/thread going.

[Evan]

When CC signed there was not a blog, forum or site that didn't have a "who will compete for the UFC heavyweight le once CC takes it" type story/thread going.

and Vera was the consistent pick btw...

[oligarchy]

That's the point of what I am saying. Thanks for making my point. I didn't call you an idiot for picking CropCop to mow through the UFC HW division. I believe I said the same. I'm saying you are dismissing the UFC divison AGAIN by saying none of them pose a threat. E.g., Mir, Couture, etc.

[LEONARD]

That's the point of what I am saying. Thanks for making my point. I didn't call you an idiot for picking CropCop to mow through the UFC HW division. I believe I said the same. I'm saying you are dismissing the UFC divison AGAIN by saying none of them pose a threat. E.g., Mir, Couture, etc.

Mir, Nog, CC, and Couture are not threats...

Lesnar, Cain, and Carwin are threats...Rogers is a threat...Overeem is a threat. I feel that Fedor is better than all of them RIGHT NOW...but they're threats.

[oligarchy]

That's your opinion. I'm saying you're shorting the compe ion.

Couture, Mir, and Nog >> Rogers and Overeem.

[LEONARD]

We know what Couture, Nog, CC, and Mir are at this point. Why discuss Nog or CC with Fedor? Couture had nothing for Nog...Mir is vastly over-rated for knee-bar'ing a green Lesnar and beating a depleted Nog. He's not even in the conversation.

We don't know what Rogers is really, but he's looked good so far...so he's a threat. Overeem is more established (at HW) than Rogers...and certainly a threat to KO anybody.

[oligarchy]

Rogers and Overeem are as much of a threat as Couture, Mir, CC, or Nog. If you are dismissing those guys, you are dismissing Rogers and Overeem.

Do you believe Rogers or Overeem would beat Couture, Nog, or Mir? If so, who beats who?


You're saying Mir is overrated but Rogers and Overeem aren't? KO Derf.

[LEONARD]

Rogers and Overeem are as much of a threat as Couture, Mir, CC, or Nog. If you are dismissing those guys, you are dismissing Rogers and Overeem.

Do you believe Rogers or Overeem would beat Couture, Nog, or Mir? If so, who beats who?

You're saying Mir is overrated but Rogers and Overeem aren't? KO Derf.

Fedor will never fight Nog or CC again...so there is no point in discussing it. He already beat both when they were at the top of their game.

Rogers or Overeem have the ability to KO Fedor. Randy and Mir don't.

It's all about matchups. Just because I think Randy and Mir aren't a threat to Fedor doesn’t mean I’m saying that Rogers or Overeem would definitely beat them. Yes, they could knock them out, but Mir could (and probably would) sub Rogers (but not Fedor)…Couture could get Overeem down and do his thing (not Fedor, or he’d get sub’d / reversed if he did get a takedown).

[oligarchy]

Okie Dokie. I think I'm losing your whole argument here about UFC not having more threats then if we are going to narrow the scope of "threat" to people who could KO Fedor.

So, Rogers and Overeem are only a threat to KO Fedor, nothing else.

Dos Santos, Carwin, Kongo, Cain, Duffee are also threats to KO Fedor.

[LEONARD]

Cain's stand-up was really lacking against Kongo...but he does at least possess the power I suppose. Just not all that likely.

Carwin and Dos Santos sure. Duffee...who knows at this point...he KO'd a slug with a left jab. He's not even in the discussion. Kongo has nice striking, but he loses every big fight he gets (except for CC).

[dbreiden83080]

For me the point is, that yes while, some of these guys are not huge threats to Fedor in the UFC, at least it would be an event to watch him take on somebody like a Kongo. In SF nobody is going to see the man fight, regardless of compe on, unless they go out and sign Lesnar tomorrow.. GSP is going to fight the winner of Swick/Kampman down the road. Would anybody watch that fight if it were in SF, other than die hard fans like me? Nope.. Fedor not fighting on the big stage, where he would get the most recognition for his accomplishments, is hurting his legacy..