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    I missed it by this much...

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    Hey Yoni - great minds think alike, huh? We posted almost the same thing one after the other.

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    Hey Yoni - great minds think alike, huh? We posted almost the same thing one after the other.
    Great minds realize Drudge is an excellent news aggregator (sp?).

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    Andrea Mitc : But What if the TelePrompTer Breaks Down?!!? No, really. She's that worried.

    Folks, this is comedy gold.

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    This is the plan I'm proposing. It's a plan that incorporates ideas from many of the people in this room tonight – Democrats and Republicans. And I will continue to seek common ground in the weeks ahead. If you come to me with a serious set of proposals, I will be there to listen. My door is always open.

    We'll see. Obama already knows that as it stands now he won't get approval. He's got to be open to proposals to not allow complete failure.

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    This is the plan I'm proposing. It's a plan that incorporates ideas from many of the people in this room tonight – Democrats and Republicans. And I will continue to seek common ground in the weeks ahead. If you come to me with a serious set of proposals, I will be there to listen. My door is always open.

    We'll see. Obama already knows that as it stands now he won't get approval. He's got to be open to proposals to not allow complete failure.
    He hasn't met with Republicans since April.

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    Still laughing at Andrea Mitc ...

    I'm reminded...

    Will Ferrell: Wake up and SMILE

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    He hasn't met with Republicans since April.
    Welllll - his door is always open, he's just not actually there!

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    He hasn't met with Republicans since April.
    Other than his travel agent.

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    Tonight's drinking game:

    1 drink every time God says "Let me be clear"
    Someone over at NRO beat you to it...

    Obama Health-Care Speech Bingo

    I'm sure you can think of your own cliches and predictable lines, but here's 25 to get you started. I'd note that making this into a drinking game can easily lead to alcohol poisoning.

    1. "The time to act is now."

    2. "Critics of this plan would have us do nothing."

    3. "For too long, we have spent too much money to get too little care."

    4. "The current path is unsustainable. Nothing less than a complete overhaul will give Americans the care they deserve."

    5. "Under my plan, nothing will change for you and your doctor."

    6. "This plan will cover more people, and give better care for everyone."

    7. "This plan will spend less money."

    8. "This debate has been far too divisive, with proponents losing heart, and opponents losing fingers."

    9. "The public option is the best choice, a serious solution, and absolutely necessary for real reform. (applause) Now, that's not a veto threat."



    10. "Yes, some say we've overestimated the savings from preventative care, perhaps exponentially. But others who I will not name say we've underestimated the savings."

    11. "It's unsustainable for Americans like [insert tragic anecdote here]."

    12. "It's time to put aside silly, meaningless terms like 'socialized medicine' and 'death panels' and 'the CBO says' and 'Douglas Elmendorf.'"

    13. "People look at our national deficit ballooning, trillion after trillion, and ask, 'How can we afford this?' I look at the same numbers and ask, 'How can we not?'"

    14. "I am tired of hearing insurance companies complain about preexisting conditions. It, like the economy and two wars, is just another problem I inherited from my predecessor."

    15. "As I have said many times before . . ."

    16. "Last year, I attacked my opponent for proposing a new tax on employer-based health insurance benefits. Tonight, I will reach across the aisle . . ."

    17. "Now I will attempt to undermine potential future rival Mitt Romney by talking about how his plan in Massachusetts is a lot like mine . . ."

    18. "I look forward to the day when no 11-year-old girl has to ask me about mean signs in the parking lot."

    19. "Everything about this plan tells us it will be as effective at providing care as the stimulus is at creating jobs."

    20. "By some estimates, wellness programs could reduce our medical costs to zero."

    21. "Let me be clear."

    22. "The American people did not send you here to squabble. They sent you here to help me create a fantastic and historic bill-signing ceremony."

    23. "Remember Ted Kennedy. One look at this man, and you knew he understood the importance of good health to all Americans."

    24. "Sometimes your tonsils are just fine."

    25. "As I said in March, the time to act is now."

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    I hear the Republican response will be made by one of the proponents of Medicare "death panels" as defined by several here on this board.

    Good choice.

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    sounds good.

    whats the problem?

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    Boehner hits the nail on the head...

    “We welcome the president to the Capitol tonight and we look forward to hearing what he has to say. But the question I have is ‘has the president been listening to the American people?’ I think the American people have made it pretty clear that they don’t really want another lecture, they want a new plan. They understand that we have a good system that works well for many people. Everybody understands that we’ve got problems in the current system that can be addressed. But to replace the entire current system with a big government-run plan is not what the American people want and certainly isn’t what I want.”

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    So where is the Republican plan?

    They said they were putting the finishing touches on one months ago.

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    can't you guys trot anyone else out there besides boehner?

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    So where is the Republican plan?

    They said they were putting the finishing touches on one months ago.
    I've heard several Republicans on Fox News talk about their plans - but since they include REAL Tort Reform, being able to shop plans in all 50 states, no Public Option, and expansion of HSA's - Pelosi and Reed won't let them see the light of day.

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    can't you guys trot anyone else out there besides boehner?
    Well - since he's the Minority Leader in the House, why wouldn't he speak?

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    So why haven't the Republicans released their plans to the public for review?

    Have they run the plans by independent agencies to determine the costs and/or savings of their plan?

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    Well - since he's the Minority Leader in the House, why wouldn't he speak?
    because he's the guy that always claims to have the plans.........and never shows up with plans.

    just once i'd like him to submit a plan.

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    because he's the guy that always claims to have the plans.........and never shows up with plans.

    just once i'd like him to submit a plan.
    You guys are talking about Obama chunking out the Democrat plans and submitting his own and you want Republicans to take the time to present him a plan?

    They've already given the President several good ideas -- all deficit neutral.

    Tort Reform.

    Lift regulations prohibiting portable policies from State to State.

    Give the same tax deductions for individual insurance that you do for group insurance.

    They have a framework...it's kind of hard to present it when neither the media nor the President are interested...and keep harping about how Republicans want to keep the status quo and do nothing.

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    So why haven't the Republicans released their plans to the public for review?

    Have they run the plans by independent agencies to determine the costs and/or savings of their plan?
    Maybe so. I'm sure they're not standing idely by waiting for this speech. Maybe some have been in contact with Obama.

    It would make sence since it appears the original plan is not even in favor by the majority of Democrats.

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    How much has tort reform reduced health care costs in Texas?

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    Hey Yoni - great minds think alike, huh? We posted almost the same thing one after the other.

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    Well, I'm off to watch this at a sports bar. Should be fun. Actually, just going out with the guys...probably won't see the speech.

    I'm sure you guys will fill me in.

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    Maybe so. I'm sure they're not standing idely by waiting for this speech. Maybe some have been in contact with Obama.

    It would make sence since it appears the original plan is not even in favor by the majority of Democrats.
    I absolutely think they are standing idly by.

    Really, have you heard any Republican describe a comprehensive health care reform plan in the past month?

    Or have you just heard them whining about death panels that members of their own party introduced and endorsed for Medicare?

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