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It is their version of "4 rings b*tch" that Spurs fans use. I am cool with friendly needling, all in context.
Well, that is obviously an NBA forum protocol I didn't understand as I don't come in here very often. Now I know, thanks.It is a common thing around here for Mav fans to say " 2006 champs fa**ot". He was joking, it was very obvious.
It is never ok to call someone an idiot. That is a personal attack, whether you try and bend the terms to fit your needs or not. Not a big deal, but you should realize you do the same things you ask not to be done sometimes.
Clever with the DPWhatever though
As for never calling someone an idiot, come on man, lighten up a little. It's highly contextually dependent. Someone says something stupid, you can call him an idiot. I will admit to occasionally going over the top, but I've attenuated that, and I never just attack someone for the of it.
mavs<><><>spurs - I didn't get the reference, now I do. I still think we should throw down next time I'm in Texas!
It is their version of "4 rings b*tch" that Spurs fans use. I am cool with friendly needling, all in context.
Nash may be the worst defender I have ever seen. He makes Dirk look like Bill Russell. Dirk over Nash and it's not even close.
Dirk's peak was just as good if not better than Nash's IMO.... referring to Dirks 05-07 years he was playing like a Top 3 player IMO... not sure if the same could ever have been said about Nash (Top 5-10 though in his peak). Just my biased opinions
People are going over the board saying Dirk is a horrible defender. He is nothing special but he is at least average.
Nash had a 3 year peak when he really made a below average team a contender. But Dirk had/has a 10 year peak where he makes a team a contender.
Not to mention Nash is an atrocious defender and doesn't really care about winning more than "HAVING FUN" while playing...
Dirk>Nash at peak and Dirk>>>>Nash right now.
Dirk was a horrible defender, but then he had 2 solid years where he was good. Now he is back to right about average.
This is nothing like Robinson and Hakeem.
Also, Nash has to be in a certain system for him to put up those kinds of numbers. Where were they when he was in Dallas?
Dirk.
In Dallas he played for Nellie who also plays run'n'gun, as you well know. Nash was young to the NBA then and just cutting his teeth. He took quite a while to truly find his feet, a late bloomer one might say.
Random Nash stat: Nash had 10 blocks last year, 2 fewer than his career high of 12 in 05-06.
http://www.nba.com/playerfile/steve_...eer_stats.html
Lopsided comparison.
Dirk is by far a better player, has the better career,etc.
Young? Nash had been in the league for like 7 or 8 years and was around 30 when he left Dallas.
Dirk >>>> D'Antoni
Dirk Nowitzki. To date he has accomplished more than Nash, and he is still in his prime.
I would take Dirk on my team.
You'll have to excuse that guy for talking out of his ass. Saying Nash was young in 2003 means you're re ed.
Gotta go with Dirk. From an opposition standpoint, Dirk always worried me much more than Nash. That elbow jumper is lethal, his three draws the bigman out, he's tall enough to rebound, and he plays better defense than he usually gets credit for.
Nash is a great point guard, but Dirk is just a walking mismatch.
Both guys played hard.
For today, it would be Dirk.
Career-wise, it's about even
In their best year, I take Nash by a fairly small margin
Robinson and Hakeem >>>>> Nash vs Dirk, but there are parallels
How so? In those arguments people who argue Hakeem say he had a better peak and "owned" Robinson in a single playoff. Robinson clearly was a more dominant player for a longer period of time.
Here, most agree that Nash's peak was better than Dirk's, but Dirk gets the nod because of his longevity.
Hakeem's peak was so much higher than Robinson's, it isn't even funny.
If someone said Nash's peak was higher than Dirk's then it's not by much, as it's arguable as to who had the better peak, but in the Hakeem Robinson debate, it's no question.
btw, Nash's peak included getting owned by the same a couple of times while having the most talented team in basketball. Dirks' peak includes taking a team to the Finals with no all stars at the time.
Both guys played hard
- Rasheed Wallace
But who played harder.
How about you guys learn to read? I said "young to the NBA", not "young", and no-one specified the time he left Dallas, which was before the 2004-05 season, not the 2003-04 season, which you should know being a Dallas fan. Cherrypicking makes you look like the arsehole, not me.
When Nash arrived in Dallas in 98-99 he was 25 and had played 2 years as a backup in Phoenix - he was "young to the NBA" in that he'd only played 2 years. Remember that PGs and centres often take 5+ years to mature fully in the NBA, and most NBA players peak in their late-20s.
Nash really matured into some semblance of his true NBA form in 2000-01 when he took over the reigns in Dallas and went for 15/7 with near 50-40-90 %s. The next year he went for 18/8. Back then he was playing with Mike Finley, a young Dirk, and not much else in terms of talent, which pretty well explains the lower assist numbers. By contrast, at Phoenix he has always played on talented teams with guys who can finish off his passes.
Further confirmation of the benefit of having great teams around him to help shoulder the load since he's been in Phoenix is that he's had 5 straight 50-40 seasons, and would have 5 straight 50-40-90 seasons but for shooting 0.887 in 04-05, and 0.899 (!) in 06-07.
As I already said in my post above, Nash is a true late-bloomer, but he's been pretty damned good since 2000-01, although the poor teams he played with in the early days in Dallas artificially constricted his numbers across the board. How else do you explain the difference given that he played an up-tempo style in both destinations?
Oh, and if you ers want to take potshots, fine, but if you know this board at all you should also know that I rarely air opinions I haven't thought through and researched. Disagree with me all you like, but stick the "re ed" calls on someone else.
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you may be right but you still fail though
And you ought to justify what you say every once in a while...
(and yes, I now get the joke, you go around saying things like "2006 champions got" and "you fail" all the time... doesn't it get a little old? I mean, don't you get tired of it yourself?)
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