how is manu not clutch, and how has he proven he can't play with a big man in the middle?
who said manu was not clutch or could not play with a big man
the question was would you trade him for a guy who can play back to back games and play 40 minutes a night night end and night out
if you keep him as a spur should pop make him a 6 man and play most of the 4?
The Magic aren't going to trade Wade for Manu...
#1.Shaq wanted to play with Wade.
#2.Wade is much younger than Manu with more upside.
#3.For 2 more years at least he's much cheaper than Manu, that's important to them since Shaq is going to hold them hostage for 30 million a season.
And one negative about Wade...he's doesn't have much range....Manu is just as good at getting to the basket as Wade but Manu is now an great 3 shooter as well, plus Manu plays better D.
So, not only will the Heat not do that trade...but even if they would it's not a gurantee Wade will fit this team better....best thing you can surround Duncan with at this stage is shooters...
Who else? Be realistic...I can just sit here and say we should clone Jordan and trade Manu for him...but it aint happenin'.
So who?
Ray Allen?
vince Carter?
Michael Redd?
Well, then, let's call up Stan Van Gundy and make this happen!
Oh, wait, it's not that easy?!?
EDIT: Holy crap, Whott, you and I think alike!
Last edited by MadDog73; 04-12-2005 at 06:52 PM.
Why?!?
1. Not sure Manu won't be able to play 40 minutes next year
2. as Whottt says, not sure Manu needs to
3. what does playing 40 minutes have anything to do with starting? Tim doesn't play 40 minutes, and he starts!
If you want Manu to play during the whole 4th, start him in the first, take him out in the 2nd and 3rd, and then put him back in the 4th.
24 minutes a night!
This is a whacked thread...Y'all keep feeding the duck you are bound to get on your shoes...
has shaq even signed that extention yet with the heat?
IF (and that's a big IF) resting for an entire summer doesn't do the trick...then I think you have to be kind of concerned about it...but a trade? The question is who are you going to trade for and that is available and realistic. I wouldn't want to trade Manu for just someone average player that doesn't bring the intangibles that Manu does...
Last edited by Ginofan; 04-12-2005 at 07:05 PM.
I thought Shaq had two years with the Heat. wasn't that part of the deal?
I think there could be fair trade with some all-stars.
Rashard Lewis could be a good idea to fill the long three need, Stojakovic would be a of a shooter with Duncan, Marion too could bring a lot...
But even if all these are fair trades, I wouldn't make anyone of those.
Spurs fans love Manu, he is fun, he has a big heart and is honest.
Malik had that kind of relationship with fans and even if he was a bench player and with a bad contract, a lot of fans were angry with him leaving San Antonio. I just can't imagine how the fans would react if Manu is traded.
I like Manu, even if I like Parker more ManuManiac, but if Michael Redd was on the table, a trade I consider fairly realisitic, then I would pull the trigger. Redd is a good penetrater and has amazing range, I also think his being younger is a huge advantage, but he will be more expensive and may not play the same brand of D that Manu brings to the table.
I have always been parital to Jerry Stackhouse's game as well but his age and recent injury problems would have me su ious. I think that is a trade I would consider. LeBron is never going to be traded for anyone.
I would give Manu up for Carmello Anthony in a heartbeat too, he's a superb athlete, and with Pop's guidance could become a top flight defender, i saw this kid at Syracuse quite a bit *my favorite college basketball program (he Viriginia wins abotu three games a year)* and this kid is a really good guy, he isn't that menice to society he has been painted as over the last few months.
I can't agree with you about Stackhouse because I just don't think he's anything close to what he used to be. He still seems to be an injury risk and his best days are clearly behind him. He's not a great perimeter shooter either. I'd pass.
I'd probably also pass on a Melo trade. I just don't think Melo 'gets it.' I can't see him being successful unless he's getting a lot of shots, and that won't happen on the Spurs. I'm not so sure that he wouldn't disrupt the offense, and he doesn't bring many intangibles. I think he's a good player, but I don't think he'd be a good fit.
But I agree with you about Redd. He would jumpstart the offense in a huge way. He'd get lots of open shots. He's a pretty good all-around player. Unfortunately, he's probably going to get the max from someone this summer so it could be difficult to trade for him. But if he becomes available, I think it's worth considering even though I love Manu.
Tim Duncan is arguable the best player in the world right now, and he does NOT play 40 minutes...hmmmm....
Hey ducks, I say we trade Duncan for another all-star!!!
[QUOTE=ducks]play 40 minutes a game night end and night out?
Their are no nba player or all star for that matter that play 40 minutes a game night end and night out or prove me wrong.back up your thread if you want to trade MANU for a all star give me a all star player with 40 minutes a game.
[QUOTE=CHAMPS AGAIN]granted he has missed some games but Iverson in '02-'03 comes to mind...
http://www.nba.com/playerfile/allen_iverson/index.html
I'm not advocating that we trade for any particular players on this list, but to answer Alvarez's question/challenge, here are the current or former all stars averaging more than forty minutes per game this season:
Iverson
James
Arenas
McGrady
Bryant
Marbury
So you're wrong about that. There are all stars playing more than forty minutes a game. Whether or not they're worth trading Manu for is an entirely different matter though.
Last edited by Brodels; 04-12-2005 at 07:28 PM. Reason: Edited for grammar.
Lets assume you can come up with another all-star shooting guard that you want to trade for. And he can give you Manu's heart, defense, steals, energy, etc....
How do you sell it to the other team? "We've got this guy who's the same as your guy--an all-star, but he can't play back-to-backs or too many minutes and he's fragile. So how about it?"
I think you better go back to the drawing board on this one.
Wait, WTF???
When did I question other all stars playing more than forty minutes?
I'm pretty sure most all-stars play more than 40 mpg. I'm pretty convinced that Manu and Timmy are the only all stars that don't play more than 40 minutes.
When did I question that?
Don't forget how much we paid Manu - very little for his worth. And on most efficiency ratings, which don't even mention all the intangibles he brings, Manu ranks top 5 in the league! You'd have to be offered a fringe MVP type to get value for Manu.
As for the shape he's in, Manu will be much stronger this time next year after a summer off. He hasn't stopped playing ball for an extended period for at least 3 years.
We'd be mad to trade him for anyone but LeBron or Wade.
I wonder whether Pop could teach LeBron how to defend, and whether Duncan would be happy to defer to him... not going to happen, but an interesting thought!
ok maybe not 40 minutes a game but 35 minutes a game should not be asking to much should it?
WTF is the difference???
Does minutes per game mean that you are a better player and that you have the ability to completely turn games around into victories?
Who cares. We have MAnu and Barry at the SG.
I apologize. It was CHAMPS AGAIN who issued the challenge, not you. I made a mistake.Wait, WTF???
When did I question other all stars playing more than forty minutes?
I'm pretty sure most all-stars play more than 40 mpg. I'm pretty convinced that Manu and Timmy are the only all stars that don't play more than 40 minutes.
When did I question that?
Michael Redd??? Better shooter, but can't hold Manu's jockstrap as a penetrator or defender. Plus far more expensive. Nah.
Ray Allen? Love his game, would be great with Duncan, but too old and too expensive.
Carter? You gotta be kidding. He's all about VC's stat line. Major Wanker.
Melo? No way. You can just tell the kid is another VC inside his head. Nice athlete, but skull- ed.
I keep Manu all the way. He's our man, and he's not finished improving either.
lol.
that's better.
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