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Well, I think that if you list Pau's Euro Championship accomplishments, which Manu cannot compete in, since he's not european, at the very least you should have added Manu's FIBA Americas accomplishments, a tournament Pau can't play in.
Well, I think that if you list Pau's Euro Championship accomplishments, which Manu cannot compete in, since he's not european, at the very least you should have added Manu's FIBA Americas accomplishments, a tournament Pau can't play in.
this is a stupid thread
Pau Gasol the franchise player was a complete stinker no matter how you look at it. You conveniently skip over his first two season where he put up great numbers but his team kept on failing miserably as they historically have. Once they hired a good coach and put up a moderately good surrounding cast, they flamed out in the first round of the playoff pretty consistently. I actually have to look it up, but I'm pretty sure Gasol never won a single playoff game playing for the Grizzlies.
Let me say I don't personally hate Pau. I actually think that the Grizzlies shutting down the franchise player experiment was probably the best that could ever happen to him. He absolutely excels in the second banana role.
It's undeniable he's a very talented player, but he has his flaws, just like Manu and any other basketball player.
Does somebody want to hear my opinion?
Not really, as no matter what you write I always find myself scrolling down past the text to the images....
Manu has accomplished way more than Pau in the international stage. Let us remember that Manu when healthy can rip apart the best teams that the world can offer and that includes the USA team. Right now however, Pau is busier and he has improved by leaps and bounds. The only flak about him is that he hasn't won a playoff game when he was playing for the Grizzlies. Off topic: do you think Pau has enough gas in his tank to last the entire season? I mean since 2008, the man hasn't had a decent rest. After playing against Boston, he went straight to the Olympics and then went deep in the playoffs this year. That didn't end there because he still had to compete in the Euroleague this year. I guess that's one thing that every Laker fan should worry about. Sooner or later, that flame is going to die out.
I get you point but since Europe is loaded with compe ive NTs (unlike Americas), the comparison between the 2 compe ions seems irrelevent to me
You're the the one that selected that re ed comparison criteria, not me.
Gasol still has to defeat a Dream Team in a eliminatory game and win two more NBA rings to be as accomplished as Manu.
That beeing said, is incredible how much impact Gasol has when is on the court. I don`t think many teams would prefer to have Manu over Gasol these days.
Did I ?
i did not selected Manu's FIBA Americas acheivements for that exact reason
With current roster I'd take Pau over Manu since Pau would address a much needed FC player next to timmy....
kobe pau, duncan manu. Its been a while since the pairs have been healthy. Lets wait and decide after this season.
no argument about fiba euro > fiba america. there are more teams with a higher average quality level across the board.
but to say europe is loaded with compe ive NT is a little misleading. in the 2000's, the olmypics were won by americas teams, and though the WCs were won by europe teams the 02 was clearly stolen from an americas team. In reality 3/4 major tournaments were won by americas teams, but even if you dont believe 02 was stolen, the only teams from europe you can consider compe ive with the best from the americas are spain, yugoslavia (which no longer exists), and MAYBE greece. or do you consider serbia, russia, italy and lithuania compe ive sides on the international level? because if you do, then puerto rico are maybe brazil are (currently) on their level.
also no one has mentioned pau's choke in 07 euro, lost the final at home to russia whose best player was kirilenko, he had 14 and 14 in 33 minutes with 25% FG and 5 turnovers.
This is a load of crap.
I didn't conveniently skip over or fail to mention anything. Gasol did more good for the Grizzlies than he did in terms of failing to meet any type of expectations. No, he and his Grizzlies never won a playoff game. In those three playoff match-ups, he and the Grizzlies also faced the defending championship Spurs and two 60 win teams in Phoenix and Dallas the next two seasons. They were completely outmatched in all three match-ups. Should they have won at least a game? Probably. But, it wasn't exactly a surprise that they were swept in any of those three instances.
We're not comparing Gasol to Duncan or Shaq. If you want to say Gasol isn't a true #1 NBA franchise player, I wouldn't argue with that. But, that's not the discussion here. The vast majority of great players in the league wouldn't have changed the Memphis Grizzlies' fortunes during the years Pau was there, except for maybe Shaq and Tim and maybe LeBron. Again, not comparing Gasol to them. Gasol was put in an extremely unwinnable situation and he still was able to help make them a playoff team for three straight years in a very tough conference. I don't think guys like Dwight Howard or Chris Bosh would have done better. I don't think even KG or Dirk would have done all that much better, maybe win a playoff game or two in those seasons. But, they wouldn't have won a playoff series. I still wouldn't criticize him for his years in Memphis because look at that franchise before he was there and after he left. He actually led them to a 50 win season one of those years. And I already said this, but before Pau was on the Grizzlies and since he was traded the next best season they've had was last year at 24-58. That's their BEST season in their history without Pau Gasol.
Look at the Memphis Grizzlies winning percentage with Pau Gasol. Their record is 230-306 with him on the roster (includes him being injured but still on the roster) which is a .429 winning percentage. Not very good at all. In fact, pretty below average.
UNTIL you realize what the franchise's record and winning percentage without Pau Gasol on their roster, which is 134-444 for a .232 winning percentage.
Gasol is a very good player who as a second fiddle to someone like Kobe is a great player. Say what you want to say about Gasol not being a franchise player or a go-to guy or someone that can carry a team to a championship. I wouldn't disagree with it. But, to criticize him for failing in Memphis is still completely short-sighted and doesn't take into consideration what he actually really did to help a struggling and horrible franchise to be even respectable. I reiterate that I think it's an overly harsh and unwarranted criticism of the guy.
Manu has olympic games MVP award.
Pau should never won NBA le.
Manu has nothing to win anymore.
But right now Pau is number the number 1 player.
okay man but can he coattail 3 rings? yeah manu or pau may not be getting the mvp, but they may be getting more les something that dirk will def not be getting anytime soon, maybe he should give up trying to be a leader and follow a real leader like he was supposed to, tell him to come to the spurs then get his pathetic le as u put it
Agreed. Manu qualified for the HOF right there. The international comitee of the HOF will make sure he goes in for that tournament. For the Argentina to beat the US at the OLympics was huge in international basketball.
Pau has done some nice stuff but Manu's won wherever he's played.
the 2008 spain team would have won against the 2004 US team though.
Hey aislasionista . . . wassup?
Everybody also thought that the 2004 Spain team was going to beat the 2004 US team and look what happened.
you can't compare the 2 spanish teams.
But you do want me to keep posting
Why not? there are several players in common between those two teams.
My claim was that as a franchise player, he was a complete stinker. I see that you basically agree with me on that.
You don't need to apologize for the guy. There's plenty of very good players that can't fit the franchise bill. Manu might be one of those too, we just don't know.
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