Are you happy with ONE thing Obama has done so far?

[Nbadan]

Wow....what are you gonna do when Obama is re-elected in 2012?

Oh, that's right.....December 21, 2012....

[LnGrrrR]

What exactly makes Obama a marxist? I'd say he's a far cry from that. Marxism involves more than making lots of ineffective government positions and redistributing wealth, after all.

[Nbadan]

So you are happy he is destroying my children's wealth?

OK...

Dubya increased the national debt from 5.6 trillion to 10.2 trillion....where were you?

[SouthernFried]

What exactly makes Obama a marxist? I'd say he's a far cry from that. Marxism involves more than making lots of ineffective government positions and redistributing wealth, after all.

Increased Governmental authority and power.

Socialism, Marxism, Communism, Fascism...are all pretty much the same.

Why?

Each one of them rely's on Huge centralized governmental control to do what each wants to do. The distinction's between them are meaningless. What was the real difference between the "fascist" Hitler...and the "Communist" Stalin?

Hitler killed 6 million of his own people, and Stalin killed 20 to 60 million of his own people?

They both did it through huge centralized, authoritarian govt structures.

They are more alike than different...as are all of these monikers. Huge Govt control is what binds them...and always will. How huge govt actually controls things is an argument without a meaning...it's always about control.

The debate today is not about Obama. Never has been.

The Debate today is about people who want more governmental control...and those that dont'.

The only reason I thank OBAMA for this...is making the distinction so much clearer, for so many.

[coyotes_geek]

Dubya increased the national debt from 5.6 trillion to 10.2 trillion....where were you?

Obama will rack up more debt in 3 years than Bush did in 8.

[clambake]

OBAMA has done what I expected him to do...and the main reason I didn't vote for McCain.

McCain and the GOP have been socialist lite now for 20+ yrs. Socialism has been implemented incrementally for this entire period.

OBAMA and Demo's would have gotten everything they ever wanted...nationalized health care, increasing govt regulations, increased taxes, cuts in military, increased enviro regs, etc. They would have gotten everything...if they were willing to wait and do it incrementally.

Incrementalism is the cornerstone for Socialist success in the US.

OBAMA has done the one thing I knew he would do, and the reason I didn't support the GOP this election.

He got greedy.

OBAMA is trying to implement almost every socialist ideal, in one fell swoop. Americans, in the majority...are not socialists. They've accepted Socialism because it's been done almost imperceptibly. A little here...a little there. GOP has created myriads of new govt departments, regulations, and spending. And it was hard for the vast majority of Republican voters to criticize them for it, because...after all, the democrats just wanted to do more of it.

So it continued to grow...and grow...and grow. And would have continued to grow...incrementally. Giving every Leftist everything they wanted, except, perhaps...the crowing that they did it.

Now, along comes OBAMA. And the lines could not be more clear. We have a full fledged marxist/socialist in the White House...and he wants to imlement it all, and right now.

Incrementally, people were too busy with their lives to pay it all much attention. When it's thrown in your face all at once, people who normally don't pay attention...start to.

The recent demonstrations were done by people who haven't been involved or paying attention for most of their lives. The people who were accepting socialist incrementalism, because it was too little over too long a period to get riled up about each increment.

OBAMA has been able to clearly differentiate in their minds what they don't like about Socialism. OBAMA, in just a few months...has done something I knew McCain could not do. He has united Liberty loving people across this country. United them in a way they could not unite under any GOP administration.

There could not be a more clear cut Socialist/Marxist than OBAMA. The US was never founded to be socialist/marxist or communist. It's not what this country was ever meant to be. It's success was built on the exact opposite principles. For the people to see where this country was headed, incrementally...they had to be shown all at once.

Socialism is now being shown all at once. People who weren't paying attention before....are. The resulting uprising of sentiment against it...is joy to me and truely gives me hope.

People are more aware than ever before what is happening, and has been happening for decades. People are more active against Socialist power grabs than I've seen in quite some time. People who have been quiet...are no longer.

This is the one thing I was hoping for when I didn't vote GOP.

This is the one thing I thank OBAMA for.

yoni is funny.

[LnGrrrR]

Increased Governmental authority and power.

Socialism, Marxism, Communism, Fascism...are all pretty much the same.

Why?

Each one of them rely's on Huge centralized governmental control to do what each wants to do. The distinction's between them are meaningless. What was the real difference between the "fascist" Hitler...and the "Communist" Stalin?

Hitler killed 6 million of his own people, and Stalin killed 20 to 60 million of his own people?

They both did it through huge centralized, authoritarian govt structures.

They are more alike than different...as are all of these monikers. Huge Govt control is what binds them...and always will. How huge govt actually controls things is an argument without a meaning...it's always about control.

The debate today is not about Obama. Never has been.

The Debate today is about people who want more governmental control...and those that dont'.

The only reason I thank OBAMA for this...is making the distinction so much clearer, for so many.

Wow... there are clear differences between Marxism/Socialism/Fascism, in many different policies.

Here, just look at the first part of the Wikipedia article on Fascism: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism It discusses how many fascist leaders don't believe in communist economic policies.

As well, socialists and communists have different ideas of how to implement their economic schemes. It's not all black and white.

If you think they're all the same, why not just say socialist instead of Marxist/communist/etc? Socialist is probably the best term to describe what you're talking about.

[byrontx]

Should have slapped the Republicans around some instead of the kumbaya stuff.

[Wild Cobra]

Dubya increased the national debt from 5.6 trillion to 10.2 trillion....where were you?

Really? Where are your numbers from?

From OMB Historical Data:

FY___Debt in $millions
2001 5,769,881
2002 6,198,401
2003 6,760,014
2004 7,354,657
2005 7,905,300
2006 8,451,350
2007 8,950,744
2008 9,985,757

[Wild Cobra]

Obama's 2010 budget already is expected to be paid for by massive borrowing, to cover about 1/3rd or it. We simply cannot add expenses like health care expansion.

From Budget of the U.S. Government; Fiscal Year 2010; Updated Summary Tables; May, 2009, page 10.

[SouthernFried]

Wow... there are clear differences between Marxism/Socialism/Fascism, in many different policies.

As well, socialists and communists have different ideas of how to implement their economic schemes. It's not all black and white.

If you think they're all the same, why not just say socialist instead of Marxist/communist/etc? Socialist is probably the best term to describe what you're talking about.

I'll just repeat what I said earlier, which also answers your question...

They are more alike than different...as are all of these monikers. Huge Govt control is what binds them...and always will. How huge govt actually controls things is an argument without a meaning...it's always about the control.

"Good intentions will always be pleaded for every assumption
of authority. It is hardly too strong to say that the
Cons ution was made to guard the people against the dangers
of good intentions. There are men in all ages who mean to
govern well, but they mean to govern. They promise to be good
masters, but they mean to be masters."

Daniel Webster

[LnGrrrR]

SouthernFried, I understand that. However, fascism controls the government for different purposes than socialism, and some forms of communism don't even involve state control (think tribes and whatnot).

I'd just stick with calling him socialist. That makes the most sense out of all the perjoratives.

[NoOptionB]

Polarized the country even more.

[SouthernFried]

SouthernFried, I understand that. However, fascism controls the government for different purposes than socialism, and some forms of communism don't even involve state control (think tribes and whatnot).

I'd just stick with calling him socialist. That makes the most sense out of all the perjoratives.

I've never seen a country that was communist that didn't have Huge Authoritarian State Control. And, really, I don't care what the "purposes" of huge state controls are for, or why one form of huge state controlled govt may differ from another huge state controlled controlled govt. They are all about Huge Governmental control. Like the quote I gave...some may promise to be good masters, but the mean to master."

The debate sorta reminds me of the religious debates I've had over my life. I'm an atheist. Became one when I was 13, so I've been an atheist for over 40 yrs now...geesh, lol.

Anyway, when I usta argue religion, people would constantly tell me..."but, it says in the bible." I would then respond, I don't believe in Gods, so why would I care what is written in the bible (other than it might make good reading.) I'm an atheist, what the bible says doesn't matter to me.

I'm against Huge Governmental Power and Control. What do I care what moniker it uses?

[LnGrrrR]

Fair enough. I'm just trying to help your slander be technically more correct.

I'm also an atheist, for what it's worth. I've only been self-declared for the past 9 years or so, so you've got me beat.

[spurster]

Good things: end of torture, continuing withdrawal from Iraq, keeping economy from disaster in the short-term, pushing on CO2 limits, net neutrality, credit card reforms, Lilly Ledbetter law

Bad things: deficit, Iran's and NK's nuclear capabilities, continuing secretive government, continuing government surveillance

Unclear: Afghanistan, health care

[Wild Cobra]

eh...your numbers back up dan's numbers

There is over a half a trillion difference. Since his numbers are apparently made up, I'm curious where they are from.

You have to also remember several things.

1. Congress sets the spending, the president approves it.

2. The democrats had the majority in the house and senate for the second half of President Bush's time as president.

3. The economy was doing fine till the democrats destroyed it.

4. 9/11 put stress on the economy as well.

5. The democrats and their pundits cause the economy we now have by scaring the people. The constantly talked about how bad it was while it improving. At ude is part of what drives an economy.

6. Bad economy and supporting a war naturally creates a high deficit.

7. The deficit for President Obama's first budget, fiscal year 2010, is expected to be 9.5% and growing as more legislation is past. The last time we had that high of a deficit from a non-overlapping president and congress was during WWII. Yes we will have higher when this FY 2009 is all calculated, but it is president Bush's last signed budget, and this congress and this president have kept piling on it. The last estimate has it to finish at a 13.9% deficit of GNP. President Bush's highest deficit was 5.0% of GNP.

The democrats want to add to the burden, more social programs. If implemented, in the bad times, even higher deficits will occur.

Also, have you noticed that the democrats tried getting all their things passed before the 2009 FY ended. That way, historically, they could say it was in president Bush's budget.

[hope4dopes]

Good question. I'm happy with his unbelievable arrogance and over reaching and the fact that the Democrats are virtually guaranteed to lose their majority in Congress in 2010. Hopefully the country can survive the damage done between now and then.

Yes I agree. I'm also very happy with the apparent narccistic insanity, and thuggish tendecies he has displayed, it has revealed an underlying cruelty that the nation needs to see, and has seen. It has galvinized millions into being politcially active and it will be the milestone that insures the average citizen remains a vigilante and vital voice in the republic.

[Wild Cobra]

Are you happy with ONE thing Obama has done so far?

Yes, scaring the silent majority so they openly speak out!