Is It Too Much To Ask For.....?

[Jimcs50]

did not manu the game before miss 4 free throws
I know at one time manu was 4-8 not against the jazz but the other game

Even Kerr missed 4 FTs in a game, that does not mean anything.

Manu is a 80% FT shooter, that is a great percentage.

He made 12-13 last night and the only miss was on purpose.

[Ginofan]

I blame Pop for this one.

Tony's decision making was horrid but the fact that Pop let him throw up jumpers on consecutive posessions without yelling or doing SOMETHING is even worse. Not to mention the fact that Pop thought taking Naz out and replacing him with Brick Barry for the last DEFENSIVE play of the game was a total moronic idea if I ever saw one.

It's not about Tony vs Manu. They are both dead dog tired, obviously Tony more than Manu. They are both troopers for putting up a fight for this game. Let's just hope they get alot of rest over the next couple of days.

[smeagol]

did not manu the game before miss 4 free throws
I know at one time manu was 4-8 not against the jazz but the other game

Ducks, what does this have to do with what is being discussed?

Manu was 12-13 from the FT line in THIS game and the only one he missed was on purpose.

You have a tendency to bash Manu every opportunity you have, specially when people argue in favor of him over TP (such as this thread where RVB, JIM and THJ are saying he should handle the ball in crunch time, not TP).

You criticize the people who do that to Tony but you do it to Manu.

I don't understand why.

[bigbendbruisebrother]

Tony's effort did not bother me. What bothers me is that our starting point guard, who lives to penetrate, can't hit his goddamn free throws. He was 3 of 7 from the line for sake. If he shoots even the team average for the game (75%), we win.

To me, this is the one major flaw in Tony's game.

[ducks]

My Point is even manu has stuggled from the line in certain games
tp has shot over 80% from the stripe a game

duncan misses alot of free throws
should spurs trade him ?


manu has tried to play backup point and failed doing so
I do not think manu should handle the ball late in the game
I think he should get shots in the fourth but not be the point guard

[ducks]

It is ok for Tony to take the shot... I have no problems with that. He should have penetrated and taken it to the hole though.

I have said that many times when duncan takes the 20 foot jump shot late in the game and miss. But he can do that and have it miss and it is ok. But heaven forbid if tp pulls up for a jump shot and miss it late in the game.

[boutons]

Tim and Tony are tied for horrible career FT %age, 69%. Maybe that's why they prefer shooting jumpers in crunch time rather than going strong to the basket.

[smeagol]

My Point is even manu has stuggled from the line in certain games
tp has shot over 80% from the stripe a game

So? . . . Manu is much more relieable from the FT line (80%). I'm willing to bet his percetage is even higher in 4Q FT. Therefore, it makes sense to give him the ball in crunch time, unless TP is really hot.

duncan misses alot of free throws
should spurs trade him ?

Again, getting defensive. What does this have to do with the argument we are having? Who is advocating to trade TP? I'm certainly not.

manu has tried to play backup point and failed doing so
I do not think manu should handle the ball late in the game
I think he should get shots in the fourth but not be the point guard

Manu should not always handle the ball, as if he were the PG, in the 4Q. But, if he is "on", like he was yesterday, I prefer him taking as many shots as possible, certainly more shots than Tony. By the way, this is not bashing Tony.

[beck253]

Yeah because Manu hit a clutch shot to send it into overtime.

Of course, who else than you could come up with that kind of response in this thread...

[pigknuckles]

It's hard to criticize one player on this game after they have been bustin it last few.
Manu had a chance to win it and he missed...bottom line it should have never come to that - against the mighty Jazz.

[pigknuckles]

Correction tie the game. Just what we needed another OT game.

[Ginofan]

My Point is even manu has stuggled from the line in certain games
tp has shot over 80% from the stripe a game

duncan misses alot of free throws
should spurs trade him ?


manu has tried to play backup point and failed doing so
I do not think manu should handle the ball late in the game
I think he should get shots in the fourth but not be the point guard

How has he failed? I'd like to know some instances where he failed as a back up point in the 4th.

[wildbill2u]

Did Pop call a timeout and give them a play or tell them who was to take the shot? It sounds like Tony did a lot of free-lance dribbling, looking for a drive and then tried a jumper instead of driving.

Bottom line, I want Manu taking the shot. He's better from outside and also from the line if he drives and gets a foul. He's playing the two guard position and should be the go to guy. Nothing against Tony, but you should play the percentages in this situation.

But Pop should make this clear to the team. Take a Time out and give them instructions.

[Kori Ellis]

How has he failed? I'd like to know some instances where he failed as a back up point in the 4th.

Manu has gotten the ball stolen from him or made a turnover in key possessions late in games several times this season. I'm not sure if that's what ducks is talking about or not.

Bottomline people need to stop with the Blame Game; it's about team wins and team losses.

[Jimcs50]

Manu has gotten the ball stolen from him or made a turnover in key possessions late in games several times this season. I'm not sure if that's what ducks is talking about or not.

Bottomline people need to stop with the Blame Game; it's about team wins and team losses.

No blame game at all.

I am saying that TP did what Francis has been bagged on for doing in the past,(even by you) He dribbled the clock down while I was screaming at the tv for him to do something, he just jacked up a 20 ft shot and that was the best choice?

By the time Manu got the ball on the next possesion, we were down 3 pts instead of 1, and he was forced to miss a FT, which he did. Had Manu gotten the ball when TP shot it, he would have gone to the line and made 2 FTs and we would have had the lead.

Manu missed the last shot, but he had 1 sec to take a shot, that is not his game. His game is to drive and dish or get fouled.

TP made a poor decision....Manu has made poor decisions, TD has, everyone has...but you have to learn from them and try not to repeat them.

[ducks]

last season pop tried mnau as a backup point
that did not work out well
manu did not even like that

[whottt]

Actually it was working pretty well at the end of the season, and Manu did kind of like doing it. Manu was the back up PG as we won 14 in a row or something like that.

[smeagol]

Bottomline people need to stop with the Blame Game; it's about team wins and team losses.

I agree with you Kori, but based on history alone, this will never happen.

Tell you what, its easier for all of the following things to happen simoultaneously, than the Blame Game and the constant ing after each loss to stop:

- Exstatic start praising Brent Barry,
- Tpark start bashing Pop,
- whottt stop watching WWF,
- MB and Mouse stop using multiples iden ies,
- SolidD start posting nonsense,
- You start banning people on a daily basis,
- LG making accurate predicitions and giving props to the Spurs,
- Ducks writting in English,
- whottt and CD making up with a long wet kiss,
- AHF praising Pops offensive coaching style,
- Bigzak having an avatar that does not include JLH,
- timvp watching an entire soccer game and enjoying it,
- Alvarez bashing Manu non-stop for a week,
- Sequ buying a Beno jersey,
- Nbadan praising Bush,
- Jim topping the list of most vbucks won,
- RVB and Nikos totaly disregarding statistics, and
- Manny becoming a die hard Christian right activist.

[SequSpur]

Manu had a chance to win the game last night and he screwed it up.

More fuel for the fire.

[Jimcs50]

Manu had a chance to win the game last night and he screwed it up.

More fuel for the fire.

Sequ, he got the ball with 1 second on the clock....

That is not enough time for him. He is not a catch and shoot player...Barry would have been better option at that time.

Manu's strenth is to get ball with 24 secs left like TP did.

[SequSpur]

I declare BS.

[whottt]

BTW, my selection for who I would like to see handling the ball at the end of the game is Barry...

He's the least likely to turn it over on the team.
He is the least likely to force a bad shot on the team.
He is the best at finding the open man on the team.
He's got the best court awareness on the team.
He's got the highest 2 PT PCT on the team.
He's the best FT shooter on the team.
I have seen him make a game winning 2 point shot at the buzzer.
I have seen him make a game winning 3 point shot at the buzzer.

I definitely don't think he should be the guy inbounding the ball with 2 second left on the clock since that virtually assures he won't get a shot...and he's the career 40% 3 shooter.

[Jimcs50]

I declare BS.

On what????

Did Manu not get the ball with 1 sec left????

Is he a catch and shoot player???

[smeagol]

Manu had a chance to win the game last night and he screwed it up.

More fuel for the fire.

See what I mean Kori.

With Sequ hanging around this board, the ing is guaranteed.

[SequSpur]

STFU. Don't you have some dirt floors to sweep and some Commodore 64's to sell?

Manu clearly missed the game winning shot. Someone else should've taken it. One day Pop will learn.