I'd rather go blind.
Actually...it is not that hard.....it is points in the paint and Opp FG%......which have been a problem since Rasho went down....they were a problem when Timmy went down...but got even worse when Rasho got hurt.
My biggest problem is Nazr's in the paint "D"....leaves alot to be desired......shows flashes but way too often guards evne get by him with regularity.
Too late.
A stat you can find on 82games.com is Net Effective FG% allowed. The Spurs' Effective Opponent FG% is 2.9% lower when Rasho is on the floor compared to when he's on the bench. Out of the Spurs who have played all season, only Duncan rates higher. When Nazr is on the floor, the Effective Opponent FG% goes up 2.2%.
The mere fact Adonal Foyle made seven shots in one game against Nazr is also a telling stat.
OK. Fair enough. We'll use that stat for now. Considering that Rasho is so much better at "knowing the system", that number should be cosiderably higher. And I'll gladly give up that 2.2% () for a guy that scores more points, gets more rebounds, shows more hustle, and has more heart when he's out there on the floor.
How high? Duncan's net difference is only 0.5% better. What should his number be and who should replace him?that number should be cosiderably higher.And you'd let Adonal make the most shots of the season off you.And I'll gladly give up that 2.2%
Where is your stat for heart?
Heart only gets you so far....if you know when and how to use to your advantage then a player can go to the next level.....you can let emotions take you out of the game which happens so many times with that type of play.
So you are willing to give up that 2.2% difference for offense? The reason the Spurs win so many games is "D".....what happens if his hustle and offense don't get it done....like last night in Utah....in the playoffs and we lose because he can't relieve Rasho and we blow leads and lose? He still has heart though......I want to win...if Nazr is the better option, then fine....but he isn't. His post game is raw....unrefined.....he seems to get his shot blocked alot...even though he is trying to dunk it......dink it all the time may not always be the best option.....just ask Tim Duncan.
There is no stat for heart. Just what I see with my own eyes. Nazr shows hustle. Rasho usually stands there like a tree most of the time. Remind me again how much money he's stealing from us.
So you saw the season-high makes by Adonal?Just what I see with my own eyes.
Like I've said before. Rasho isn't that much better on defense than Nazr. I've already shown the stats to prove it. The only claim to fame Rasho has is that he knows the system better which gives him a slight edge on defense. But when you factor in points and rebounds, I don't know how you can say Rasho is better.
Where?Rasho isn't that much better on defense than Nazr. I've already shown the stats to prove it.
I posted them (copy and paste) but they came out all ed up and had to edit. Go see for yourself at CBSSPORTSLINE.COM. Then tell me which defensive category that Rasho is so much better than Nazr. I'll be waiting.
I just did. You just completely fail to recognize the significance of that stat. You should check the effect other players have on effective opponent FG. You'l have a tough time finding 10 guys who do the same as Rasho who have played as much.tell me which defensive category that Rasho is so much better than Nazr.
Brewski.
You've said that Rasho's defensive importance is statistically unprovable, and I have to point out too that there are no stats for playing ed up out of position late to help defense like Nazr's, and while its also as pointless as comparing a Yugo and a K Car, I'm going to engage your argument on your ground.
Offense. Yes, Rasho is the better offensive player too.
Have some nice y stats with your ice cold brewsky.
Since its unfair to Nazr to use his numbers since he's been a Spur to compare, I've used their career averages.
Nazr http://www.basketball-reference.com.../mohamna01.html
For his career (and playing in the East), Nazr has averaged 6.7 pts on 46% shooting, has shot 63% from the line (crappy), and has racked up 5.3 rebounds per game, 2 on the offensive glass. He's averaged .5 assists per game and .6 blocks per game (oops thats defensive). He's also thrown down some spectacular dunks, many of which have bounced spectacularly off of the rim.
Rasho http://www.basketball-reference.com.../nestera01.html
For his career (played entirely in the West), Rasho averages 7.7 pts on 49% shooting, has shot 55% from the line (really crappy), and gathered 5.9 rebounds per game, 2.1 of which are offensive. Rasho averages 1.1 assists and 1.4 blocks per game. He also throws a wicked toddler-like cringe when a ref blows a whistle. And who can forget the recent pictures of Sad Rash when faced with the reposession of Sean Mark's little boy.
In conclusion, Rasho is not only the better defensive player, but is statistically a better offensive player than Nazr, albeit marginally. Rasho also makes his teamates better as Whottt showed recently (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13313)
When you take that and combine it with Nazr's 1. bad hands, 2. propensity to foul, because 3. he's out of position on D, Rasho is your starter, until Nazr improves.
Don't get me wrong though. I like Nazr, and I really think he'll be a great asset to the team, especially once he's gotten the hang of the defense and learns to catch a basketball.
In the meantime, Rasho plays a central role in anchoring our defense, and when called upon has peformed well offensively (He kept us in the game in the first half against the Rockets on Easter. I was there.). He should continue to start.
I'll grant you one thing though ICB. Nazr is more fun to watch. Fortunately, both players are on our roster, and I like our chances in the playoffs.
I'll let everyone else have the last words as I have grown weary of this banter (touch my monkey).
Last edited by bigbendbruisebrother; 04-14-2005 at 09:58 PM.
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I stopped reading when you said that Rasho was better offensively.
But ICB, I thought you loved stats!
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