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    when you have duncan/manu/tp/rj on the floor 3pt shooting is not that important. I mean when were in a serious drought and trying to make a run, thats when he might be a factor. We shouldn't be having offensive droughts that often now should we? That kinda eliminates bonners role.
    3pt shooting is not important? This is the first i've heard of it

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    3pt shooting is not important? This is the first i've heard of it
    Good Lord, let me break it down. 3pt shooting from your C is not that important. Manu/RJ can hit the 3. Mcdyess can stretch the floor enough with his KT like jumper. When we had Fabricio he got easy shots in the offense by simply getting to the open area. It didnt affect tims game at all. Tim is on the block facing up, the double comes and fab slides underneath for a quick, high percentage, uncontested layup.

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    I was just wondering Mad Bonner. What happened to you in the playoffs last season? You got owned by a guy named Ericka Dampier. You also couldn't hit any shots and couldnt get REBOUNDS. You also had trouble defending the middle as a Center should.
    Ah, Portnoy. I thought you were on the road to understanding. Alas, no.

    Posts such as these clearly cross the line from opinion to obsession.

    Take that first step boldly, there will be only eleven more.

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    When Bonner is in the top 3 of 3 point shooting this year people will be slobbering all over him, it happened last year and it will happen this year.

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    I was just wondering Mad Bonner. What happened to you in the playoffs last season? You got owned by a guy named Ericka Dampier. You also couldn't hit any shots and couldnt get REBOUNDS. You also had trouble defending the middle as a Center should.
    As typical of most gimmicks, sooner or later they eventually fold up.

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    As typical of most gimmicks, sooner or later they eventually fold up.
    One certainly hopes so

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    When Bonner is in the top 3 of 3 point shooting this year people will be slobbering all over him, it happened last year and it will happen this year.
    I recall that, but I also recall everyone knocking his defense and rebounding. Then he was thrown to the tigers at the end.

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    Good Lord, let me break it down. 3pt shooting from your C is not that important. Manu/RJ can hit the 3. Mcdyess can stretch the floor enough with his KT like jumper. When we had Fabricio he got easy shots in the offense by simply getting to the open area. It didnt affect tims game at all. Tim is on the block facing up, the double comes and fab slides underneath for a quick, high percentage, uncontested layup.
    Detroit had one of the best 3 shooters in the league at the time in Rip Hamilton, and then both Chauncey and Tayshaun who could hit the 3, how dare Rasheed take 3's.

    Utah have Williams/AK47 and some other guys I don't know who can shoot 3's, how dare Okur take 3's.

    Dallas have Terry/Howard/Marion/Kidd who can all shoot 3's, how dare Dirk shoot 3's.

    If you haven't caught on, then saying 3 point shooting at the Center position isn't important is damn stupid, it draws one of the big men right out of the paint and makes it easier for Parker/RJ to get to the rim.

    Also Tim doesn't get doubled that much anymore.

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    Bonner starting isn't the end of the world. Mcdyess, Blair and Theo will get plenty of PT. If he is stinking it up, then Pop will sub him out. If he is raining 3's, then let it rain. I am sure Pop has rotations planned for Bonner's better days or will come up with better ones on the spot.

    I honestly think he will have a short leash.

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    Portnoy, what are your views on Mason, how many minutes should he be getting?

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    Who gives a if Bonner starts? He plays fine in his limited minutes, and his early-game scoring helps up establish a lead. Then Pops brings in big men that can defend and KEEP that advantage.

    It's a simple strategy. It tends to work. I swear, some of these Bonner-haters whine more than menstruating teenagers.

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    good lord, let me break it down. 3pt shooting from your c is not that important. Manu/rj can hit the 3. Mcdyess can stretch the floor enough with his kt like jumper. When we had fabricio he got easy shots in the offense by simply getting to the open area. It didnt affect tims game at all. Tim is on the block facing up, the double comes and fab slides underneath for a quick, high percentage, uncontested layup.
    i would rather ginobili and rj slashing than camping out on the 3point line. Thats what bonner is for. Plus why do y'all keep ignoring the fact that this will cause matchup problems for spurs opponents?

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    do they have to start together for you to see how they play together?
    It was implied I meant the STARTING LINEUP, dumbass. I want Tim to play with Blair AGAINST THE OTHER TEAMS STARTERS. That clear enough for you?

    Also, in response to your post about about mismatches, Bonner is almost always a mismatch on D, so he cancels himself out. McDyess can stretch out the D to an extent, and help Tim in the paint on D, Bonner can only do one of those.

    And to muser, Bonner is the worst big at helping Tim on D, outside of the rooks who are unknowns on D at this point. That is my biggest concern, not whether or not Tim will get doubled on O. If he gets doubled Dice can shoot the jay, and hopefully Blair can mimic Oberto in getting easy lay ins.

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    I doubt Bonner lasts the season in SA.

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    I doubt Bonner lasts the season in SA.
    If a trade happens, how do you think the FO wants it to work? Does Bonner get traded with someone else (if so, who), is he traded for picks and cash so as to free up a roster spot?

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    it was implied i meant the starting lineup, dumbass. I want tim to play with blair against the other teams starters. That clear enough for you?
    he can play the starters even if he doesnt start, get it?

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    I still dont know why people complain about Bonner starting. It's not like he's gonna play in play in crunch time. I think Bonner should start majority of the games in the REGULAR season b/c that will help out resting our best players like Mcdyess and wont make Blair lose confidence since he is a rookie. You never know if Bonner actually gets better as the season goes on and actually becomes clutch(even thought prob wont happen imo).

    Once we get to the 4th part of the regular season, then we can say he shouldn't be starting if he is not playing good. Bonner is here to spread the floor for Duncan and not clog the paint. He will not be getting 30 minutes a game so people should relax. I cannot ing wait for this season to start to see just how good some players might be.

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    he can play the starters even if he doesnt start, get it?
    Ok, I'll try this one last time. I want Blair to play alongside all the Spurs starters, when all of the other starters on the other team are on too, and not so that Blair is subbed in right before the starters for both teams start subbing out. That would mean he'd have to start the first or second half.

    Since my examples of Bonner are when he's playing with the starters against the other teams starters, I want a healthy amount of that for Blair, so I can truly compare the two as Cs working with Duncan. My theory is that Blair can play well enough on D with position defense and steals (something Solid D said he was good at in last games blog, iirc), and well enough on O with sneaky layups/jams, O boards, and a jumper here or there. Maybe he could allow Tim to play high post once in awhile, since his post game is pretty nice, but idk. I doubt he'll get the ball in the post as often as Bonner gets the ball on the arc, but I think he will draw more fouls than Bonner.

    Of course, I don't want either starting against big teams, like Boston, LA, or Portland. Unless Blair can prove able to keep the Oden's, Bynum's, such away from their favorite spots with his strength and low center of gravity. And not let the Aldridge's, Odom's, and Garnett's just run right by him.

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    For me, its all about setting a tone. You want that to be a tough, rebounding, hard defense tone that makes the opponent look at the lineup and think , no easy baskets, or no easy rebounds here from the get go. By starting Bonner you almost get the exact opposite. For a lot of the better scorers in the league, it only takes one or two makes early to get them going and get their confidence up for the rest of the night, making them almost ungaurdable. I realise he wont be playing starters minutes, but i think the team would be better served starting McDyess and establishing that hard-nosed style from the opening tip.

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    Bonner will start for a while. He knows the system and was our starting center last year. Once, Mcd, Ratliff, and the rest of the bigs get acclimated to the Spur's way of things, Bonner will come off the bench.

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    Believe me, last season, everyone jumped onto Bonner's for MONTHS.
    Until it shriveled up and blew away in the "Playoff Tradewinds"......

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    He doesn't play center. Duncan does. And if you think it isn't important for a PF to hit the 3, ask the Orlando Magic.
    But look what happens when their 3 point shot isn't falling, the team sort of collapses. Shard went 5-18 in the last two games, even worse for the series.

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    Ok, I'll try this one last time. I want Blair to play alongside all the Spurs starters, when all of the other starters on the other team are on too, and not so that Blair is subbed in right before the starters for both teams start subbing out. That would mean he'd have to start the first or second half.

    Since my examples of Bonner are when he's playing with the starters against the other teams starters, I want a healthy amount of that for Blair, so I can truly compare the two as Cs working with Duncan. My theory is that Blair can play well enough on D with position defense and steals (something Solid D said he was good at in last games blog, iirc), and well enough on O with sneaky layups/jams, O boards, and a jumper here or there. Maybe he could allow Tim to play high post once in awhile, since his post game is pretty nice, but idk. I doubt he'll get the ball in the post as often as Bonner gets the ball on the arc, but I think he will draw more fouls than Bonner.

    Of course, I don't want either starting against big teams, like Boston, LA, or Portland. Unless Blair can prove able to keep the Oden's, Bynum's, such away from their favorite spots with his strength and low center of gravity. And not let the Aldridge's, Odom's, and Garnett's just run right by him.
    well he's not going to start the game at all this year so forget it. starting the second half? sure why not. what are you ing about again? bonner starting the beginning of the season? gmafb

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    But look what happens when their 3 point shot isn't falling, the team sort of collapses. Shard went 5-18 in the last two games, even worse for the series.
    Richard Jefferson, Manu Ginobili, George Hill now, etc etc

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