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    We still don't execute children. Gotta draw the line somewhere.
    had a friend put on death row for a crime he committed when he was 17, so he won't die a kid, but he was sentenced to death as one for sure.

    not that he isn't getting what he deserves, crime was severe.

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    the death penalty is in Texas isnt it?

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    Yay.

    They should let the family of the victim do it as well.

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    the death penalty is in Texas isnt it?
    Seriously?

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    We still don't execute children. Gotta draw the line somewhere.
    Side note - two cases go up for oral argument before the Supreme Court in November concerning life sentences for juveniles who commit non-homicide offenses and whether it violates the 8th Amendment.

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    i dont live in the US of A....

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    yes but i'm not down with this high cost bull

    last i checked a bullet only cost a dollar

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    last i checked a bullet only cost a dollar
    If only it was that easy

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    baby steps.....if someone pleads guilty to murder, execute them. no ifs,ands,buts or whats, just throw them in the chair and watch them die. that alone would save a load of money,help families get over lost ones faster and no chance these freaks would get back on the street 5 years later to kill again. you plead guilty, you sign your own death warrant.

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    baby steps.....if someone pleads guilty to murder, execute them. no ifs,ands,buts or whats, just throw them in the chair and watch them die. that alone would save a load of money,help families get over lost ones faster and no chance these freaks would get back on the street 5 years later to kill again. you plead guilty, you sign your own death warrant.
    A couple problems with that:

    1.) There are still grounds for appeal. Even if you waive your right to appeal, you can subsequently argue that your plea was not knowing or voluntary, or that you were somehow coerced. And you can make that argument once again for habeas. So not much is saved.

    2.) Who would ever plead guilty? What incentive would defendants have to avoid a trial?

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    I am against the death penalty in all cases.

    I know the death penalty happened repeatedly in the Old Testament, so I can understand the people who defend it accordingly.

    However, I feel that murder is murder period and just as I would be wrong to take someone's life in cold blood, it would be wrong of me to support ending someone's life in a death chamber, regardless of what crimes he/ she has committed.

    I believe that I will answer to God one day for all I do and all I support. And if I am going to be wrong on this issue, I would rather err by extending grace.

    I support life time imprisonment in the cases that it is necessary.
    But I believe it is important to focus first on crime prevention by community outreach, youth mentorship, and education opportunities for all.

    Also, I support rehabiltating as many prisoners as possible and programs which assists former criminals in becoming productive members of society.

    I refuse to count anyone as hopelessly loss, although I am all for protecting society from those who pose a danger to it, for as long as such measures are necessary.

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    I am against the death penalty in all cases.

    I know the death penalty happened repeatedly in the Old Testament, so I can understand the people who defend it accordingly.

    However, I feel that murder is murder period and just as I would be wrong to take someone's life in cold blood, it would be wrong of me to support ending someone's life in a death chamber, regardless of what crimes he/ she has committed.

    I believe that I will answer to God one day for all I do and all I support. And if I am going to be wrong on this issue, I would rather err by extending grace.

    I support life time imprisonment in the cases that it is necessary.
    But I believe it is important to focus first on crime prevention by community outreach, youth mentorship, and education opportunities for all.

    Also, I support rehabiltating as many prisoners as possible and programs which assists former criminals in becoming productive members of society.

    I refuse to count anyone as hopelessly loss, although I am all for protecting society from those who pose a danger to it, for as long as such measures are necessary.
    Good post. I don't necessarily agree w/ all of it, but it wasn't what I expected. Refreshingly insightful.

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    A couple problems with that:

    1.) There are still grounds for appeal. Even if you waive your right to appeal, you can subsequently argue that your plea was not knowing or voluntary, or that you were somehow coerced. And you can make that argument once again for habeas. So not much is saved.

    2.) Who would ever plead guilty? What incentive would defendants have to avoid a trial?
    I think another problem with that, even if you believe convictions to be verdict of a jury to be sacrosanct, is that by eliminating the carrot of a plea bargain, you run the risk that those who are likely guilty will be found not guilty by a jury and free in society instead of serving time. I'd agree that the cir stances in which that might happen would be limited and rare, but it's still a possibility.

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    Angel's been reading Ecclesiastes or Luke or something. Good take.

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    Angel's been reading Ecclesiastes or Luke or something. Good take.
    Ironically, I've been studying Joshua.

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    I am against the death penalty in all cases.

    I know the death penalty happened repeatedly in the Old Testament, so I can understand the people who defend it accordingly.

    However, I feel that murder is murder period and just as I would be wrong to take someone's life in cold blood, it would be wrong of me to support ending someone's life in a death chamber, regardless of what crimes he/ she has committed.

    I believe that I will answer to God one day for all I do and all I support. And if I am going to be wrong on this issue, I would rather err by extending grace.

    I support life time imprisonment in the cases that it is necessary.
    interesting. Since you disregard ot laws regarding death penalty do you also disregard other ot law....such as the 10 commandments?
    Last edited by Blake; 10-28-2009 at 03:02 PM.

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    A couple problems with that:

    1.) There are still grounds for appeal. Even if you waive your right to appeal, you can subsequently argue that your plea was not knowing or voluntary, or that you were somehow coerced. And you can make that argument once again for habeas. So not much is saved.

    2.) Who would ever plead guilty? What incentive would defendants have to avoid a trial?
    Who cares. No ifs,ands,buts or whats. Kill them. Next step. Anyone who is in jail for more than 10 years give them the option to have the government kill them.

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