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Whottt, you're right, Devin can do all of those things (defend, shoot) when completely healthy.
How do you know his shot hasn't suffered from the injury?
Will his defense be as good? And for how long?
I've been on the fence on this for a while...I don't want Wilks on the playoff roster, if he has to be the difference in a series then we aint winning a series.
So it's Marks VS Devin Brown for me...with Marks, when he was outplaying Nazr I wanted him...now that he doesn't seem to be...and since we signed Big Dogg who has the J we wanted Marks to have...I just don't know.
I can see the aruments for wanting protection against Duncan and Rasho's ankles...but...
Devin requires some thought now....
If Parker has to miss a game Beno can sub and we can still win.
If Manu has to miss a game Barry can sub and we can still win.
If Duncan has to miss a game...well Big Dog with his A game and Nazr and Rasho havign good games have a long shot chance of pulling it off...Big Dog has drawn double teams before.
If Rasho has to miss a game Nazr or Horry can sub and we can still win...
We may not win a series or anything using that forumula but we can win a game on our home court...
But if Bruce Bowen misses a game, who subs for him in his role as lockdown defender? Who do we put on Ray Allen or Melo? Or Dwayne Wade?
Manu maybe, but Manu gets worn down enough as it is to also be asked to be our lockdown guy...we need his offense...it's what he's best at.
The only guy on the team capable of spelling Bowen off the bench is Devin Brown...and he shoots threes well when he is gets time to shoot and is left open...
On top of that Brown acts as the PF in our small ball line up...I don't think that's as much of an important role now that we have Big Dogg...but that back up lockdown defender guy...no one can do that except Devin.
It's a real difficult choice...I don't know which I choose yet and I still have to think it over.
I don't think we have to worry about Devin's health...if there is a risk to him he won't be on the playoff roster and he definitely won't make it into a game.
Whottt, you're right, Devin can do all of those things (defend, shoot) when completely healthy.
How do you know his shot hasn't suffered from the injury?
Will his defense be as good? And for how long?
Let the doctors on the staff make the call, no risk furher injury on the roster otherwise not worth risk at all.
What's the risk, HB22? Not having Gene Wilder missing wide open baseline jumpers? If you mean the risk is Brown getting hurt that's different. Obviously you don't play him if there's a shot he gets seriously hurt.
Still, Devin's not the franchise. You just don't get that many chances to play for a le, and if he can go he should. I'm sure he would want to play also. As a role player he's probably not going to have that many shots at a ring, so no way he passes up this chance to win a le.
Baseline, I know where you're coming from, and I'd love to have Devin on the roster, but 100% healthy.
That just won't happen this year.
Like I said before, backs are different than knees and ankles, and you have to look at the big picture.
The Spurs can easily win the le without Devin this year, but may need him in the years to come to accomplish that same goal.
So why risk a career threatening injury when you can comfortably sit him out this year and make sure his back heals properly?
Devin Brown probably will not be on the Spurs in 2 years. Role players are pretty expendable when a team is building its roster in the summer, and Devin will always be a bench guy. I don't care if he's 100%. If he's 70% he's a way better option than a useless player like Marks. If it's determined that there's a good risk he causes himself serious career-threatening injury by all means make him sit out and recover for next season. However, there's no reason to err too far on the side of caution because Brown isn't one of the team's cornerstones (Duncan, Ginobili, and Parker).
This team needs all the help it can get to win a le, and Brown has proved this season that he can help this team. Marks never really has.
Wilks has to be on the playoff roster because he's the team's best defensive point guard. He could prove useful for 3 or 4 minutes of game time while Parker rests if Beno is getting torched.
Your logic is circular. First you say "there's no reason to err on the side of caution" because he's not a team cornerstone. I agree.
Then you say a team needs all the help it can to win a le. I also agree. So, how does Brown sitting on the bench or at 70% (?!?) help our chances?
Besides, you can't have both Wilks and Brown. So decide, who is off the Roster?
I think base doesn't like Big Dogg, at all, and probably doesn't want him on the playoff roster.
Oh, no, Base, say it's not true! You would take Wilks or an injured Brown over the Big Dog?!?
Sorry, but speaking of players we need, we NEED Robinson. Besides, NO WAY is Glenn off the roster, so your scenario would never happen.
Realistically, who would you take, Devin or Wilks?
Yes, I don't think Robinson deserves a spot on the playoff roster. He's a 'shooter' who can't shoot, much like Steve Smith was.
Well, thank goodness the coaches don't share your opinion.
Honestly, Wilks over Robinson...
I know his FG% could use improvement, but his 3 pt is 33%, and he's avg 2.6 reb. a game (many of those games he played limited minutes).
Give Glenn a chance!
Oh, yeah, and on a team shooting horrible Free Throws, he's shooting the highest: 85.7% FT. That seals it for me.
I disagree, hes shooting alot better right now than Steve Smith did.He's a 'shooter' who can't shoot, much like Steve Smith was
Plus, he bangs, defends a little better than Smith, AND, he'll rebound and get a steal or two.
I believe I have been sayin Devin Brown is gonna be too injured to make the roster, and was told "Hes getting better though!!!"
Back Injuries are a , and it takes TIME to fix it, not a couple weeks.
BAD NEWS
He is getting better, that's why he's on the trip. Otherwise he'd be home rehabbing. Glenn Robinson will make the roster no matter what, whether Devin is on it or not.I believe I have been sayin Devin Brown is gonna be too injured to make the roster, and was told "Hes getting better though!!!"
Yeah, he's really tearing it up at 35.9% from the field. I'd have to disagree.I disagree, hes shooting alot better right now than Steve Smith did.
He has to shoot the ball better if he's going to be a benefit to this team, because shooting is the only thing he's good at doing.
Last edited by Brodels; 04-18-2005 at 08:01 PM. Reason: Grammar.
Watching the game tonight?
Ah, the TPark argument.
Rasho had 16 and 12 tonight. Therefore, Rasho must be the best center in the league.
No it's the "Ive seen Big Dogg at his best before and this is vintage Big Dogg" argument.
Look at his form. Look beyond the stats.
On top of that he's shooting almost exclusively from 17 feet out...go look at what the rest of the team is shooting from that range.
This guy looks phenomenal for a guy that's playing his 6th or 7th game back after sitting out a year.
Big Dog is out to prove something and the Spurs is lucky they found "that" something in him.
now they reap in the rewards
Just for the record Brodels...if Big Dogg scores 1 more basket he will beat Rasho's career high...in like 20 minutes of play, playing in his 8th game after a year off.
It's not a fluke.
Tossing something out for consideration/thrashing...
I'm not saying this is what I'm advocating, it's just a thought...
If Devin's healthy athletic energy is needed for the playoffs...and there's a worry about ankles attached to big men...then how about leaving Johnson and Wilks off the playoff roster...and completing the non-playoff roster with Beno Udrih.
Beno is still a rookie, and has been a bit spotty since the All-Star game...great, then non-existent, then OK, then abysmal. Back-up point could be tag-teamed between Manu and Brent Barry.
I think they'd still want a real backup point guard available.If Devin's healthy athletic energy is needed for the playoffs...and there's a worry about ankles attached to big men...then how about leaving Johnson and Wilks off the playoff roster...and completing the non-playoff roster with Beno Udrih.
Beno is still a rookie, and has been a bit spotty since the All-Star game...great, then non-existent, then OK, then abysmal. Back-up point could be tag-teamed between Manu and Brent Barry.
No matter what, the Spurs don't need six bigs on the playoff roster. So I think it's an easy choice that Marks would be the odd man out.
Agreed. The fact that Pop did not play Marks much again last night makes me think that Johnson and Marks are out.
I suspect the decision is between Devin and Wilks. And that's a tough call...
Baseline,
Devin's back injury has led to a weakening of his left quad and hamstring. His knee is seriously at risk if he comes back too soon. There is no sense trashing a guy's career that wants nothing more than be a Spur.
Secondly, Sean Marks plays good defense and doesn't get in the way on offense. He's a deep bench player that can let the other bigs (all of whom are suffering from nagging injuries) rest.
Devin is not the make or break guy for a le.
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