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    That comes at a price. If you play McDyess too much too early, it might actually be a net loss come money time.
    He can play 20 minutes. Blair 15, Rattliff 10, and Bonner can get the remaining 3, if necessary.

    Dice actually averaged almost 30 minutes the last two seasons, where he played 78 and 62 games. And the 62 games had more to do with him sitting down after the trade than any injury.

    Are we going to lose some games while Blair and Dice learn what they need to do out there? Sure. That's ok. That's what the regular season is for.

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    He can play 20 minutes. Blair 15, Rattliff 10, and Bonner can get the remaining 3, if necessary.
    You're on record saying Tim should play 20 mpg.

    Tim 20
    Dice 20
    Blair 15
    Ratliff 10
    Bonner 3

    That's 68. Who plays the other 28 minutes?

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    Also, Blair is worse than Bonner on defense.

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    You're on record saying Tim should play 20 mpg.

    Tim 20
    Dice 20
    Blair 15
    Ratliff 10
    Bonner 3

    That's 68. Who plays the other 28 minutes?
    At the PF position I have:

    Tim 20
    Blair 10
    Bonner 6

    And we can play small ball for a quarter. Since Pop fell in love with it, we're going to have to put up with it regardless.

    Also, Blair is worse than Bonner on defense.
    Right now, sure. But we know what the ceiling is for Bonner. He isn't gonna get any better than now. We ran the entire gamut of excuses for him: He knows the system, he's been here for years, he always has been a below average defender, he is a terrible rebounder by any means, etc etc etc.

    We don't know what the ceiling is for Blair. I rather he plays and learns. If he gets in foul trouble, then you trot Bonner out.
    It will take time for Blair to learn, but he's young and can take the extended minutes (I'm actually having him in for 25 minutes, which is nowhere near extended minutes really).

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    I never said he was a top 10 center. I said I would trade Blair for him right now and he would do much more for the Spurs than Blair.
    This is a misunderstanding. I wasn't referring to you but to Matt Moore, the guy who wrote the article that got this thread started.

    It's an interesting question how many minutes Dice could or should play. Between 01 and 07, he never played more than 23 mpg. But the last two years, he logged in ~30 mpg. I think we could afford to play him close to 25 and still keep him fresh enough for the playoffs.

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    I think it's funny that the article says that we're looking old again, but he only pointed out the dismal performances of guys who are under 30.

    How many times should we rehash this same old stuff? Bonner Bonner Bonner Bonner Finley Finley Finley Finley, Pop Pop Pop Pop, etc.

    It's not even out of the first week of the season! Come on guys, remember the story of the stonecutter? The Spurs are going to keep pounding away. During our 1999 Championship, we were 6-8 to start the season..1-1 means absolutely nothing.

    Let's support the guys we have right now and enjoy this journey. Everytime we have a loss, we can't go calling for a trade. I saw someone (DPG?) saying to trade Dejuan Blair for Joakim Noah. wtf? He's one of the rare gems that somehow, someway fell to the Spurs almost like it was meant to be and you would rather have Noah because he (how ironic) is a proven veteran? Unbelievable.

    Again, how about we try and enjoy this whole thing that's going on, because someday soon we WILL have that young, talented team that a lot of you want, with no Coach Pop, and no Matt Bonner and no Mike Finley.

    And we will struggle to make the playoffs. So let's enjoy this right now, Bonner or no Bonner.

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    I think it's funny that the article says that we're looking old again, but he only pointed out the dismal performances of guys who are under 30.

    How many times should we rehash this same old stuff? Bonner Bonner Bonner Bonner Finley Finley Finley Finley, Pop Pop Pop Pop, etc.

    It's not even out of the first week of the season! Come on guys, remember the story of the stonecutter? The Spurs are going to keep pounding away. During our 1999 Championship, we were 6-8 to start the season..1-1 means absolutely nothing.

    Let's support the guys we have right now and enjoy this journey. Everytime we have a loss, we can't go calling for a trade. I saw someone (DPG?) saying to trade Dejuan Blair for Joakim Noah. wtf? He's one of the rare gems that somehow, someway fell to the Spurs almost like it was meant to be and you would rather have Noah because he (how ironic) is a proven veteran? Unbelievable.

    Again, how about we try and enjoy this whole thing that's going on, because someday soon we WILL have that young, talented team that a lot of you want, with no Coach Pop, and no Matt Bonner and no Mike Finley.

    And we will struggle to make the playoffs. So let's enjoy this right now, Bonner or no Bonner.
    Don't get me wrong. And I'm pretty sure this applies to DPG and Mel too.
    I'm enjoying the season very much. It's not like Pop listens to what we say here.
    We just have time to kill, and love to speculate. Nothing wrong with that.

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    When I heard sir Charles say this I laughed out loud. Winded the second game of the season...?

    bizarre
    Not bizzare at all if you followed the pre season interviews with Pop. His intent was to bring a lot of guys into the regular season a bit out of shape in order to reduce the wear and tear on them early on. Factor in that this was a BTB, and you get.........

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    Also, Blair is worse than Bonner on defense.
    Big call but I guess he knows the Spurs defense better

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    Don't get me wrong. And I'm pretty sure this applies to DPG and Mel too.
    I'm enjoying the season very much. It's not like Pop listens to what we say here.
    We just have time to kill, and love to speculate. Nothing wrong with that.

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    Not bizzare at all if you followed the pre season interviews with Pop. His intent was to bring a lot of guys into the regular season a bit out of shape in order to reduce the wear and tear on them early on. Factor in that this was a BTB, and you get.........
    Wait until next Friday when they lose to the Blazers. It's gonna be fun around here. Especially if they can't beat Utah on Thursday.

    **Spurs have played in Utah on the first day of a B2B three times in the last four years. They've lost the second game all three times.

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    Wait until next Friday when they lose to the Blazers. It's gonna be fun around here. Especially if they can't beat Utah on Thursday.

    **Spurs have played in Utah on the first day of a B2B three times in the last four years. They've lost the second game all three times.
    +1

    I probably won't bother logging in. All I'll get is a bunch of lemmings headed off of the nearest cliff they can find.

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    For the record, the Bulls are abusing the Celtics on the offensive boards tonight, and this time they're the ones coming off the B2B. I've heard the Celtics have a pretty impressive frontcourt, too.

    Not excusing anything; we can't afford to give up the boards like that. But Chicago is definitely stressing hitting the glass. We just weren't ready for it. Adjustments will be made over the long season.

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    +1

    I probably won't bother logging in. All I'll get is a bunch of lemmings headed off of the nearest cliff they can find.
    Just as in the video game, maybe we can put up some obstacles for them to run into and turn around. Say, a rumor that Bonner and Finley will be getting traded for Mehmet Okur or something similar. It'll keep them away from certain death.

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    Just as in the video game, maybe we can put up some obstacles for them to run into and turn around. Say, a rumor that Bonner and Finley will be getting traded for Mehmet Okur or something similar. It'll keep them away from certain death.

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    This written because what was seen last night was a team that had just played the night before...got on a plane...played another game not even 18 hours later against a GOOD team that had not even played a game yet this season.

    The game was close until the middle of the 3rd...even with the irregularities of the situation.

    Things to work on...definately. Things that warrant major concern...NO.

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    Look at what Boston's doing to Chicago, why don't we have that kind of energy when we faced them yesterday.

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    join the chat

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    And Bulls is being raped by Celtics right now...Are we that bad...

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    Bulls look winded and slow and confused, and old on a back to back game.

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    Look at what Boston's doing to Chicago, why don't we have that kind of energy when we faced them yesterday.
    Exactly. And I believe they are older than we are so age should not be an excuse for us.

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    Bulls look winded and slow and confused, and old on a back to back game.

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    Look at what Boston's doing to Chicago, why don't we have that kind of energy when we faced them yesterday.
    Exactly. And I believe they are older than we are so age should not be an excuse for us.
    What part of Back to Back do you two not understand? Why is that concept so hard to grasp for some folks?

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    What part of Back to Back do you two not understand? Why is that concept so hard to grasp for some folks?
    It doesn't matter, do you think Lakers, Magic or Celtics use that as an excuse for losing?

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