Spurs have too much time on their hands

[will_spurs]

Because George Hill could be ready to play at a level close to Parker, that's why you think about this trade.

No he isn't. He's nowhere near that, to be honest. Maybe in a few years. But right now Hill is a decent back-up PG, nothing more, nothing less. You're so certain he could replace Parker, but what tells you Hill wouldn't make a disappearance act like Mason and Bonner in the playoffs?

Parker is so underrated, even by Spurs fan, it's ridiculous.

[Pauleta14]

Parker is so underrated, even by Spurs fan, it's ridiculous.[/quote]

+1

Best quote/conclusion (?) of the thread!

[DPG21920]

Their are certainly scenarios where I think trading TP makes sense. Just not now.

[duhoh]

A lion's share of the lost points/assists would come from Stephen Jackson, who's currently at 16.7/4.0. Parker is a scoring first point guard, his assists aren't a concern.

anyone in the spurs system will never average high assists as an individual.

this is perhaps one of the most ridiculous trade statements ever. why ruin the existing chemistry of a core that has been to the top multiple times together? especially when they are in win it all mode right now.

puff puff pass please.

[will_spurs]

You're so certain he could replace Parker, but what tells you Hill wouldn't make a disappearance act like Mason and Bonner in the playoffs?

Didn't even need to wait that long...

[Brazil]

Because George Hill could be ready to play at a level close to Parker, that's why you think about this trade.

bump. Same player try again

[symple19]

Biedrins is vastly overrated. I live in the bay area and watch the Warriors often. Andres can run well, but his blocks and rebounds are over-inflated because of the system he plays in. He's pretty much the only guy on the floor for long stretches of time that can do those previously mentioned things. It's also inevitable you'll get a lot of blocks when the perimeter D collapses like a house of cards on every possession. And then you have the Warriors ole' defense that allows a million shots to be put up in a small amount of time.

[TJastal]

Biedrins is vastly overrated. I live in the bay area and watch the Warriors often. Andres can run well, but his blocks and rebounds are over-inflated because of the system he plays in. He's pretty much the only guy on the floor for long stretches of time that can do those previously mentioned things. It's also inevitable you'll get a lot of blocks when the perimeter D collapses like a house of cards on every possession. And then you have the Warriors ole' defense that allows a million shots to be put up in a small amount of time.

Your really stretching to find reasons to not like the guy. The warriors system isn't the greatest but I highly doubt its giving him all his stats all by itself. The guy's got some pretty good skills which coincidentally are areas the spurs are lacking.

He shoots a very high percentage (doesn't take alot of stupid forced shots) and grabs alot of rebounds. He is basically a high octane version of Jeff Foster. He's got good size and length. He's basically the NBA's version of European star Tiago Splitter. Same type of game.

[TJastal]

Their are certainly scenarios where I think trading TP makes sense. Just not now.

What scenarios are you thinking of, and when?

[ambchang]

Your really stretching to find reasons to not like the guy. The warriors system isn't the greatest but I highly doubt its giving him all his stats all by itself. The guy's got some pretty good skills which coincidentally are areas the spurs are lacking.

He shoots a very high percentage (doesn't take alot of stupid forced shots) and grabs alot of rebounds. He is basically a high octane version of Jeff Foster. He's got good size and length. He's basically the NBA's version of European star Tiago Splitter. Same type of game.

Franchise PG = High Octane Jeff Foster + Pietrus.

Got it.

[TJastal]

Franchise PG = High Octane Jeff Foster + Pietrus.

Got it.

Add "George Hill getting more minutes as a starter" to the end of that equation.

With that trade you've addressed the spurs' 3 biggest weaknesses on defense. And if the spurs acquired Stephen Jackson that is the equivalent of getting a high octane version of Pietrus.

As for our "Franchise PG" .. he's a FA at the end of next year. He could bolt on the spurs and leave them with nothing in return. At least you'd still have Biedrins and Jackson to play alongside Duncan for the remaining year of his contract.

[ambchang]

Great logic.

I mean, which trades in history has benefited the team giving up the best player? Let's see ... hmmm, ummm ... how about none?

Chamberlain trade, Barkley trade, Shaq trade, Jabbar trade, from the top of my head, the team that gets the best player in a trade always comes out on top.

Second, your set of assumptions makes little sense.
1) George Hill, with an up-and-down rookie season, and 4 games into his sop re season, can fill the shoes of an All-star and Finals MVP.
2) Jackson's offensive production will remain the same, or at least comparable, in a methodical offense as the 3rd or 4th option as his offense in a free-flowing, fast-paced, shoot'em up offense as the 1st or 2nd option.
3) Biedrins, with his athletic based game, will fit into a defense heavy on rotation and defensive help. His offense that includes nothing outside of 10 feet, will also not clog the lane of a motion based offense.
4) Azubuike will actually improve in a smaller role playing behind Jefferson, Ginobili, and Mason.

[Brazil]

Add "George Hill getting more minutes as a starter" to the end of that equation.

With that trade you've addressed the spurs' 3 biggest weaknesses on defense. And if the spurs acquired Stephen Jackson that is the equivalent of getting a high octane version of Pietrus.

As for our "Franchise PG" .. he's a FA at the end of next year. He could bolt on the spurs and leave them with nothing in return. At least you'd still have Biedrins and Jackson to play alongside Duncan for the remaining year of his contract.

TJastal, I'm not going to give names like morons etc... it's not my speciality, we are here to talk and everybody is here to give his opinion.

Now I would like to know what are you seeing in Hill that brings you to think he can be a starter PG in a contender team ???

[Agloco]

First off, EVERYONE'S TRADEABLE. This is business and Holt has invested a ton of money into this team. If it improves the team YOU DO IT. Holt deserves the BEST TEAM he can get.

Parker's trade value is at an all time high, and of course he's a great player I'm not denying that. Of course trading him isn't something your going to think of for no particular reason. But there is a reason. His name is Goerge Hill. That's what makes this idea feasible. Because George Hill could be ready to play at a level close to Parker, that's why you think about this trade.

Sorry for the caps, but as it stands this team does not play the type of defense required to win a championship. I'm trying to think of ways to improve that.

I suppose therein lies the fallacy with your argument.

[HarlemHeat37]

Actually, Biedrins is arguably the biggest stat-padder in the NBA..not purposely, but his stats are heavily inflated, and he's nowhere near as good of a defender as some people seem to think..