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When was the last time it was used?
Primarily anger over the church's decades long coverups of the molestations, simmered on top of 30+ years of dissatisfaction of a secondary role in a church where women have no say. She's Evangelical Lutheran now, and couldn't be happier. So is one of my sisters.Why did she leave?
When was the last time it was used?
Hmm. Travis is an obviously very knowledgeable Catholic. I might defer that one to him or any other Catholic more knowledgable than me. But the one you mentioned is a fine one, as well as the fact that priests would now face the laity. Many felt that that took away from the solemnity of Liturgy, but that one is one that Catholics could really appreciate I guess.
I don't believe that everything that the Pope says is infallible.
I don't believe that anything the Pope says is infallible.
I don't believe that you can be infallible, part-time. It's a cop out, used to control the millions of Catholics around the world, and keep that collection basket jingling.
If people think that a man, any man, for whatever reason, is infallible, that is their business. I personally think it's foolish that a guy gets elected by other men and now can be infallible, but then again I haven't been Catholic in at least fifteen years.
But faith is a strong thing. And faith in a leader that is infallible (or has the ability to be infallible) can make said leader a force to be reckoned with.
I've found, for me anyways, it is best not to "debate" those who oppose the Catholic faith. I say to them, "God Bless You", and move on.
If you don't find Jesus in the Catholic Church...then I hope you find him somewhere else. Peace to ALL.
I knew this thread would follow this path.
just ing great.
if you will excuse me i will now go prepare for the dark ages.
he will make jp II look like a damn liberal.
good job catholic church in further alienating the flock.
Okay..maybe one more comment.
I think it is up to the faithful to change, not the Church to change for the flock. Nobody said having faith was easy.
I know I'm guilty from straying from the teachings of the Church and being a sinner.
just curious Iceman, are you a Deist?Lets not forget the myth of original sin. That fable teaches us that the pursuit of knowledge is the most evil thing a person can do. Nice little scam they have going there, maintaining power over the ignorant.
Nope. If that were the case, Rome would still be burning people at the stake for saying that the earth is round, and that it goes around the sun. That which does not change, dies.I think it is up to the faithful to change, not the Church to change for the flock.
Even the ignorant are not powerless.
good posts
organized religion is flawed because it is organized
what do you mean by universal church
Joe, correcting misconceptions by presenting Catholic doctrine and debating are two different things. I'm not suggesting that everyone should believe Papal Infallibility, for example, just what the Church teaches about it.
Always correct misconceptions when you come across them.
that will never happen, at least not for gay marriage
thats the one thing the church will (and should) never change on
nope atheist. mind you i used to be a lot more tolerant of people and their beliefs, but i don't know something about the past 4 years has just rubbed me the wrong way.just curious Iceman, are you a Deist?
edit, I should read the whole thread before responding.
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they could have chosen Bill Frist to be Pope and they'd still be the most liberal of Christian faiths... and thank God (pun intended) for that.
I would go with episcopalian for that honor.
Last edited by Drachen; 04-20-2005 at 12:12 AM.
I like him already
http://beta.news.yahoo.com/s/afp/200.../vaticanpopeus
Most liberal of the Christian faiths? We talkin about the same church here?
Werd!
The MSM coverage I've seen so far is laughable. They're just a breath away from calling him the anti-Christ. Freaking hilarious. Just because they're not getting their way with "progressive issues" BOO HOO HOO!!
....Anyone see Cokie Roberts on nightline?!
memories...
what do you say to people when they say
well you're talking about something called "god" you're mentioning the word "god"
what is it that the word "god" as you use it refers to?
and then they go on to say that theres no possible way to be an atheist if you speak of god even if you say ' you dont believe in god'
im not ranking you, im really curious
cuz i used to be an atheist, but then i realized it wasn't possible to be a true atheist (for me), i had to be agnostic....
but now im following my own religion...but that, my friends, is another post
I agree. Episcopalians and Evangelical Lutherans both have women clergy.I would go with episcopalian for that honor.
Weirdest take I ever saw from you, scott.
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